Replies to yesterday's post seem to fall into three broad categories, so I'll cover them together:
Bittensor is about to delete a 25-year tech veteran's subnet, while he's still working on it. Not for failing, just for price. Popularity. Meanwhile the rules deciding which subnets get paid were rewritten three times in eight weeks. Oh, and teams who paid $5M for subnet slots were told they'd always been mispriced. No refunds. I've been invested in Bittensor for 18 months so I wrote down why I'm still here, and what I think needs to change: markcreaser.com/writing/chan…

Aug 5, 2026 · 11:56 AM UTC

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The market has spoken. It has. Babelbit has been judged by TAO holders. But Bittensor ISN'T the market. A translation subnet lives or dies on whether translation customers buy it, and no enterprise customer is checking the dereg queue on Taostats before they sign a contract. I think Bittensor has created a problem where the TAO-holders are the electorate, so teams are forced to market inwards at the expense of customer acquisition. In 2018 Tesla was the most shorted stock in the US and every analyst and his dog predicted bankruptcy. Elon ignored the share price, slept on the factory floor, and made Tesla the most valuable carmaker in the world two years later. In '97 Apple was nearly insolvent, and Michael Dell's advice was to shut it down and return capital to shareholders. Then came the iMac, the iPod, the iPhone. I fear Bittensor would have lost both to dereg.
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Where's the revenue? I know how important revenue is in a business, but we need to be realistic. It often takes good companies years to generate revenue, and the AI mega corps like OpenAI and Anthropic still wouldn't be able to fund buybacks today. I think OpenAI is still lossmaking, Anthropic might have just had its first profitable quarter. Both are fortunate to be backed by patient capital, and their backers cannot delete the company when the share price has a bad quarter. And in most cases buybacks won't come from revenue, they'll come from SURPLUS cash, which is rarer still. Yes, Bittensor buybacks aren't capital-return: alpha price is effectively the payroll, propping it is a pay-rise that attracts better miners. True. But that means you need to fund your payroll from revenue in year one or lose your best people. Even OpenAI can't do that. I don't know who can. And yes, emissions are Bittensor's version of patient capital. But VC money never has to pass a daily market test in the same way that emissions do. Price falls, emissions fall, payroll thins, output degrades, the price falls further. It's a death spiral by design. So many companies we hold up as examples of doing it right spent years as ugly ducklings, unpopular and burning other people's money. The difference is that nobody had the power to delete Amazon for a couple of slow quarters. And while we all want subnet owners to go into the world and find revenue, look at what else we give them to think about that their VC-backed competitor doesn't: alpha price, emissions, rule changes, chain upgrades, staying active on X, posting in Telegram groups, answering questions in Discord. Running a subnet is like trying to keep a Tamagotchi alive.
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If you believe in it, buy the token yourself. I could, but that'd be a whip-round, not a structural fix. One buyer saving a subnet just throws another under the axe, and right now the next team in line is unlikely to be the one adding the least value to Bittensor. And to be clear about what I'm NOT saying: I'm not saying we should gift emissions to subnets that don't deserve them. Let bad subnets have terrible token prices, exactly like the real world: • Amazon fell 94% to under $6 in 2001 • AMD hit $1.61 in 2015, bankruptcy openly discussed • Meta was down 76% in 2022 • Tesla was hours from insolvency on Christmas Eve 2008 Brutal price verdicts, all deserved. But Amazon kept its warehouses. AMD kept its engineers. The market punishes price but doesn't confiscate your business. Out there you only get deleted for running out of cash or fraud, something you DID, not something the chart did. Bittensor’s scoreboard is also the executioner. And an executioner that selects on price doesn't take the parked slots and ghost teams first, it takes whoever's cheapest that week. I'm not against the changes, or against dereg for slots that are genuinely abandoned. I'm against a mechanism that doesn't seem to be able to discern an empty shell from a team that's actually trying.
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Replying to @MarkCreaser
Your article was really well written and I fully agree with the points you made. All valid constructive criticisms of a network we all care about. I’ve added to my Babelbit allocation today. More than just for potential gains but because they are a solid team and it would be a travesty to lose them
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Replying to @MarkCreaser
FWIW, I thought it was a good article and not before time. It reflects my own thoughts and frustrations. I hope it has a positive effect and that you're not just vilified by the usual mudslinging suspects who operate with no identity and zero accountability on social media. #ASTR
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Replying to @MarkCreaser
Seems like there is no need for a hard upper limit on the number of subnets, just two tiers where the lower tier has to put money on the table to move up to the emissions-earning higher tier. Once elevated to the (potentially) emissions-earning tier, emissions funding is in the hands of the Validators. VCs essentially should do their jobs...elevating subnets they believe in from the lower tier to the upper tier. Buying and locking alpha tokens is a VC job. It is not the job of a struggling team to generate a lockable surplus at the bleeding edge. That there were subnets earning emissions just for existing was clearly a moral hazard. But relegation rather than de-registration seems like a better solution and VCs have a genuine role to play, looking teams in the eye and tracking agreed milestones. There is no way to design TAO that eliminates the VC role altogether.
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Replying to @MarkCreaser
just to be clear here, dereg doesn't mean a business is deleted. it means a subnet slot is deleted. the subnet still has its business after a dereg and can re-register. dtao is a free market, and no one denies any team that privilege. this is well backed by a sentence you wrote in your response: "The market punishes price but doesn't confiscate your business." i am a huge fan of Babelbit and wish them the best. but i think the Bittensor network is going in the right direction. it's not perfect, but it's towards something solid. when we move to 256/512/1024 subnet slots, the risk of dereg would be reduced, and struggling subnets would have terrible token prices rather than being faster to dereg.
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Replying to @MarkCreaser
Great post!!! I do hope @const_reborn Looks into some of the criticism that are valid. There should be a mechanism where maybe top 20 subnets can vote on bottom 20 subnets to see which are valild or ghosts. Something needs to be done, so we don't lose a Apple, or Tesla(Djinn)
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Replying to @MarkCreaser
I'm saying the dereg mechanism is broken for months.
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Replying to @MarkCreaser
They haven’t done a good enough job of creating BELIEVERS in the project. Or maybe the community hasn’t. If their token drops that much, true believers would hodl & buy more. That’s what we’re all doing with TAO itself, the subnets have to make us feel convicted to do the same.
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Replying to @MarkCreaser
I’d say this kind of rally call in response to the poss de-reg of a subnet, and the attention it brings to said subnet is just another example of what makes bittensor so good. Not only do ppl invest in subnets they support, but they also strive to save them
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