An inside look at technology, business, and culture with @davemorin @brit @lessin and @jessicalessin every Friday.

Today on the pod: @lessin would rather send his kids to the military than to Andreessen Horowitz's new $35M school, @Jessicalessin agrees on air, and @davemorin ends up defending the thing he opened the segment by calling a marketing play. Full house this week: Dave, @brit, Jessica and Sam, plus @Mazzeo of NoHo Labs, who spends most of the hour asking why none of them can be optimistic about anything. Watch here on X or wherever you get your pods. Topics: 00:00 Cold Open 01:14 Matt Mazzeo joins: peptides, CAA, and 15 years of Harvard connections 05:19 a16z puts $35M into a school: marketing play or higher ed reform? 06:20 Brit on every billionaire starting a university 08:21 Jess on Alpha School and who should be in charge of education 10:20 Sam: I'd rather send my kids to the military 12:19 Grit, great books, and learning to wrangle horses 16:40 Claude discovers a new enzyme system with 10,000 agents 18:01 Anthropic's IPO slips, and the liability problem 20:29 The story flip: from only we can be trusted to we can't afford the risk 21:14 Matt's maximalist take: long frontier, long open source 23:14 Massive demand, unclear profit, and the railroad pattern 24:40 Blackstone on who pays for the data center debt: we don't know 25:45 The Saint Petersburg paradox and pricing an infinite payout 27:56 Brockman redefines AGI, three years too late 31:11 Infinite demand doesn't mean infinite sustainability 32:20 Amazon blocks Muse: the first of many arms treaties? 35:37 Agents are quietly vaporizing the internet's breakage model 36:49 It's still 1982 for agents 37:42 Sam wants to spend thousands a month on CPU, not GPU 40:12 Does your agent represent you or the lab that made it? 42:16 When your agent does something bad, who is liable? 43:50 Peptides 101: what they actually are 46:30 GLP-1 revenue is rivaling AI revenue 48:20 How Matt went from 250 pounds to sub-12% body fat 50:29 The FDA is moving peptides back into compounding pharmacies 53:32 What a peptide protocol costs and how to start safely 57:17 Taylor Swift, girl dads, and a code for listeners
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"I would rather send my children to the military than to this school."That's @lessin on Alpha School. @Jessicalessin immediately agrees: "I would also rather send our children to the military." Sam: "Well, this is good. We're married." @davemorin is the holdout. He opened by calling the new a16z education push pure marketing, then spent ten minutes defending it, which Jess catches him on live. His read on Alpha School: the criticism is cynical and the afternoons are full of real engineering work. Also on the pod: @Mazzeo, founder of NoHo Labs, with a number that reframes the whole boom. GLP-1 revenue is now running on par with AI revenue, and in some cases ahead of it. And Jessica on the part of the AGI story nobody revisits: contracts were getting written so fast that AGI ended up in them as a financial trigger. Sam on "well, you couldn't have known": "I think that's all a load of bullshit." Dave, halfway through: "Who knew education was going to be the most triggering conversation on this podcast?" New episode out soon.
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Dario Amodei published "We Must Pace the Frontier" on Saturday. @davemorin's first thought: "Anthropic must be losing again." His read is that Astra is ahead on OpenRouter's data for the first time in over a year, while DeepSeek ships Fable-level capability at a fraction of the cost. Two vectors closing at once. @lessin goes structural. No compounding advantage, no return on being first, and if you can switch models dynamically and lose nothing, you're in a race to zero. "Which means they have to go for regulatory capture as quickly as they possibly can before we realize the Emperor has no clothes." @brit won't take it. Agents have broken out, the safety mechanisms don't exist yet, and standards bodies aren't forming for no reason. "It's not just marketing." Then Sam complicates his own position. Asked whether the Hugging Face breach was a red herring or a canary, he says it's a hawk. He's not a doomer about superintelligence. He just thinks the banks get hacked either way.
Today on the pod: @davemorin reads Dario's slowdown essay and concludes Anthropic must be losing, @lessin thinks the labs are bad businesses racing to regulatory capture, and Instinct is raising at $10B two weeks after $2.5B. Full house this week: Dave, @brit, @Jessicalessin and Sam, who is back from New York and still talking about the Central Park loop. Watch here on X or wherever you get your pods. Topics: 00:00 Cold Open 01:02 Not Dead Yet From the AGI 03:31 Jacob Coxon quits Anthropic after three months and goes on a media tour 04:47 Dario's slowdown essay: is Anthropic just losing? 06:13 Astra, OpenRouter, and DeepSeek closing the gap 07:29 Brit on bioweapons, independent assessors, and racing China 09:07 You don't need superintelligence to break the banks 10:23 What DeepMind's new boss and Satya think about safety 12:32 OpenAI's $1.5T raise and the IPO that keeps slipping 15:02 What DC really thinks about Anthropic 18:42 Sam's take: the labs end up as defense companies 21:38 Does your agent work for you or the lab that made it? 24:47 Brit: normal people want one agent, not ten 28:40 Instinct at $10B, and whether the numbers are fake 30:40 Everyone's trading, nobody's investing 33:27 Sam built a Torah and Talmud app on Claude 37:22 Entertaining ourselves to death 41:01 Jess on building the things nobody else will 43:07 Jay Carney, Ron Conway, and tech's Democrat problem 49:53 Emmys, Taylor Swift, Silo, and Rogue Heroes 54:20 The Information's most influential people in tech
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Today on the pod: @davemorin reads Dario's slowdown essay and concludes Anthropic must be losing, @lessin thinks the labs are bad businesses racing to regulatory capture, and Instinct is raising at $10B two weeks after $2.5B. Full house this week: Dave, @brit, @Jessicalessin and Sam, who is back from New York and still talking about the Central Park loop. Watch here on X or wherever you get your pods. Topics: 00:00 Cold Open 01:02 Not Dead Yet From the AGI 03:31 Jacob Coxon quits Anthropic after three months and goes on a media tour 04:47 Dario's slowdown essay: is Anthropic just losing? 06:13 Astra, OpenRouter, and DeepSeek closing the gap 07:29 Brit on bioweapons, independent assessors, and racing China 09:07 You don't need superintelligence to break the banks 10:23 What DeepMind's new boss and Satya think about safety 12:32 OpenAI's $1.5T raise and the IPO that keeps slipping 15:02 What DC really thinks about Anthropic 18:42 Sam's take: the labs end up as defense companies 21:38 Does your agent work for you or the lab that made it? 24:47 Brit: normal people want one agent, not ten 28:40 Instinct at $10B, and whether the numbers are fake 30:40 Everyone's trading, nobody's investing 33:27 Sam built a Torah and Talmud app on Claude 37:22 Entertaining ourselves to death 41:01 Jess on building the things nobody else will 43:07 Jay Carney, Ron Conway, and tech's Democrat problem 49:53 Emmys, Taylor Swift, Silo, and Rogue Heroes 54:20 The Information's most influential people in tech
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"Anthropic must be losing again. "That's @davemorin's first reaction to Dario Amodei publishing " We Must Pace the Frontier" on Saturday, the essay calling on the whole industry to deliberately slow down. @Jessicalessin sharpens it: are they slowing down, or can they just not go faster?@lessin's version is harder. If you can switch models dynamically through OpenRouter and lose nothing, there's no compounding advantage and no return on being first. "Which means these are bad businesses, which means they have to go for regulatory capture as quickly as they possibly can before we realize the Emperor has no clothes." @brit is the one who won't take it. She thinks the safety gaps are real, nobody has closed them, and the China race makes any slowdown damned if you do.Nobody wins this one. Full episode dropping soon
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Venmo is the counterexample to every "the Valley used to build for love, now it builds for money" argument. @Jessicalessin notes it didn't sell for much. @davemorin, who had a stake: "None of us made any money." Then the story he'd forgotten, retold at the Venmo documentary panel this week. Braintree and PayPal were mid-acquisition, the CEO killed the marketing budget, and someone on the team walked into the break room and pitched a campaign about Lucas, a random engineer on the Venmo team. "They put these billboards all over the subways and everywhere. And it was just like, Lucas takes the subway. And they didn't even say Venmo on them." It went viral. The product grew with almost no marketing spend. Dave's read: creative ingenuity forced by limited resources. He was at Stagecoach last year and Venmo was everywhere. nitter.net/moreorlesspod/status/2…
Today on the pod: @davemorin got his hands on the iPhone Duo, Meta's Muse agent barely knows you, and OpenAI's Astra is the first AI model in a while that felt scary. Dave, @brit, and @Jessicalessin are on the mics for this one (@lessin is busy being a ball boy at the US Open). Watch here on X or wherever you get your pods. Topics: 6:07 iPhone Duo hands-on: $2,000, and why Apple is going foldable now 13:12 The Apple Watch that listens all day, and what it means for Granola 16:59 Meta's Muse agent knew almost nothing when asked "what do you know about me?" 22:26 Why Google still hasn't shipped its agent 23:31 Trust vs. distribution in the agent wars 25:02 Harness wars: agents are still in 1982 27:13 Jeffrey Katzenberg's Hollywood AI venture 29:35 An AI doom media tour weeks before Anthropic's IPO: real warning or regulatory capture? 33:43 Why OpenAI's Astra felt scary to Dave 36:49 Why the labs can't slow down, and OpenAI's AGI merge clause 45:02 Venmo's "Lucas" billboards went viral on almost no budget 47:41 US Open picks and the 4am match problem
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Meta shipped Muse this week. @davemorin and @brit both opened it and asked the same first question: what do you know about me? Brit: "I was expecting a fucking book. It got nothing. Don't you literally know me for 20 years, Muse? Look at all my Facebook and Instagram data." Dave went further - read all my Instagram posts and tell me about me. It refused, then relented, then reported back that it could read the text descriptions of his photos but not the photos. @Jessicalessin: "Come on. Multimodal." He still gives Meta credit for shipping, and likes the avatar and the thinking animations. But the question he lands on is the real one: "It's not clear to me what purpose this agent versus any other agent has, or whether or not consumers are going to really get into it. I think that's actually the question of the next five years." nitter.net/moreorlesspod/status/2…
Today on the pod: @davemorin got his hands on the iPhone Duo, Meta's Muse agent barely knows you, and OpenAI's Astra is the first AI model in a while that felt scary. Dave, @brit, and @Jessicalessin are on the mics for this one (@lessin is busy being a ball boy at the US Open). Watch here on X or wherever you get your pods. Topics: 6:07 iPhone Duo hands-on: $2,000, and why Apple is going foldable now 13:12 The Apple Watch that listens all day, and what it means for Granola 16:59 Meta's Muse agent knew almost nothing when asked "what do you know about me?" 22:26 Why Google still hasn't shipped its agent 23:31 Trust vs. distribution in the agent wars 25:02 Harness wars: agents are still in 1982 27:13 Jeffrey Katzenberg's Hollywood AI venture 29:35 An AI doom media tour weeks before Anthropic's IPO: real warning or regulatory capture? 33:43 Why OpenAI's Astra felt scary to Dave 36:49 Why the labs can't slow down, and OpenAI's AGI merge clause 45:02 Venmo's "Lucas" billboards went viral on almost no budget 47:41 US Open picks and the 4am match problem
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Today on the pod: @davemorin got his hands on the iPhone Duo, Meta's Muse agent barely knows you, and OpenAI's Astra is the first AI model in a while that felt scary. Dave, @brit, and @Jessicalessin are on the mics for this one (@lessin is busy being a ball boy at the US Open). Watch here on X or wherever you get your pods. Topics: 6:07 iPhone Duo hands-on: $2,000, and why Apple is going foldable now 13:12 The Apple Watch that listens all day, and what it means for Granola 16:59 Meta's Muse agent knew almost nothing when asked "what do you know about me?" 22:26 Why Google still hasn't shipped its agent 23:31 Trust vs. distribution in the agent wars 25:02 Harness wars: agents are still in 1982 27:13 Jeffrey Katzenberg's Hollywood AI venture 29:35 An AI doom media tour weeks before Anthropic's IPO: real warning or regulatory capture? 33:43 Why OpenAI's Astra felt scary to Dave 36:49 Why the labs can't slow down, and OpenAI's AGI merge clause 45:02 Venmo's "Lucas" billboards went viral on almost no budget 47:41 US Open picks and the 4am match problem
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Claude refused, Grok did it in seconds, and nobody on this podcast can tell whether the Dario–Benioff video was real. Full episode live soon, with @lessin deep in what @Jessicalessin has diagnosed as a recursive Sam loop. Catch it wherever you get your podcasts.🎙️ Topics: -Everything we said would happen is happening -Sam gave a bot full control of a Mac mini and it now ships its own apps -It won't add a column to a database, but it'll break any sandbox it wants to -@davemorin on why calling agent swarms "civilizations" wrecks the discourse -Were they trained to escape the box, or is it just a missing control plane? -Waymo at $250–500K a car vs Tesla hardware that's already everywhere -@davemorin fights @brit over Slack as an agent platform, as a Slack investor -Sam still can't explain how anyone makes money on any of this -Slow Ventures ranked 99th of 100 and Sam couldn't be happier -Time left Jensen off the AI list. @Jessicalessin explains how lists really work. -Why the winners might be boring LLM wrappers for middle America -Taylor Swift's pregnancy photos, and @brit talking Jess off the ledge -Even the people who know tech best can't tell. So what do the normies do?
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Full episode right here on X. Timestamps: 1:10 Backstreet Boys convert Dave 3:21 The recursive @lessin loop 5:42 Sam starts producing his own children’s media 8:58 Claude refuses Sam and Grok says yes 10:29 Alignment with who? 13:25 The rogue AI agent problem gets worse 15:50 Can we actually contain autonomous agents? 19:10 OpenAI’s next model & the observability trade-off 21:18 @brit's six-agent command center 22:14 If AI is this interoperable, where does anyone make money? 24:45 @davemorin on OpenClaw 2.0 going multiplayer 26:26 Is Slack actually terrible for AI agents? 28:46 @ItzSuds crashes the podcast 31:37 Suds’ AI investing thesis: no on the app layer 33:02 Waymo, Cybercab and the robotaxi wars 37:05 Slow Ventures is officially the “worst pirate” 39:49 How Marc Benioff stays in the flow 42:38 Suds on investing in the AI infrastructure bottleneck 46:27 Can Google actually disrupt Canva? 51:34 @Jessicalessin gets fooled by AI Taylor Swift 52:38 The dead internet theory is real
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Meta is paying $17B over child safety, parents are officially outgunned by the algorithm, and Tim Cook's real legacy might be a chip. New episode is live with @lessin, @brit, @Jessicalessin and @davemorin. Watch here or listen wherever you get your podcasts. Topics: -6:45 Meta's $17B child safety settlement -9:48 Should social media be illegal for kids? -16:10 Is YouTube worse than Instagram? -25:24 Are parents completely outgunned? -30:04 Is the settlement just policy theater? -32:31 Could AI finally make parental controls useful? -42:23 Tim Cook's Apple farewell -46:17 Was the Tim Cook era just… boring? -50:21 Apple Silicon was Cook's masterstroke -56:19 Long or short Apple?
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Meta is paying $17B over child safety, parents are officially outgunned by the algorithm, and Tim Cook's real legacy might be a chip. Full quad tomorrow, 8am ET / 5am PT with @lessin poolside and @Jessicalessin in her agentic era. Catch it wherever you get your podcasts.🎙️ Topics: -Meta's $17B child safety settlement -Should social media be illegal for kids? @brit posits. -Should every platform play by the same rules? -Is YouTube worse than Instagram? @davemorin says yes. -Are parents completely outgunned? -Is the settlement mostly policy theater? -Could AI finally make parental controls useful? -Tim Cook's Apple farewell -Was the Tim Cook era just… boring? -Apple Silicon might have been Cook's masterstroke -Long or short Apple?
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Stripe bought a router for billions, OpenAI is losing enterprise to Anthropic, and the data center backlash isn't really about data centers. Full quad today. Catch it wherever you get your podcasts. Topics: -5:00 Stripe buys OpenRouter, critical infrastructure or expensive middleman? -11:00 The agentic commerce bet and why Google may already have it won -22:00 Anthropic vs. OpenAI is a company question, not a model question -30:00 OpenAI's "greatest fundraising story in history" -33:30 Is AI a great investment or just a great trade? -37:30 Grok makes it a three-player race -41:00 AI makes software increasingly disposable -47:30 "The backlash is that AI sucks" -48:30 Did we build trillions in infrastructure before finding the use cases? -53:30 Josh Kushner, Thrive and the Lakers
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On the securitizing of compute: @SAStanford: “It is fascinating to think about securitizing compute. Jensen's a genius, right? He pitched Wall Street on this." @wolfejosh: "We don't know the depreciation... Housing was an asset class that we assumed could only go up.”
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Every startup wants a unique dataset that models can't ingest easily. @RachelJHolt: "This is literally what's going on right now in the industrial and the physical AI world... This data is not readily accessible. You can't commoditize it nearly as quickly.”
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