Business Owner ; Ex - BofA Banker ; IIM Calcutta ('07Batch) Passionate about Investing; Student of History

Kolkata, India
1/N Li Lu's is only person Munger trusts with his money besides Buffett. He has a simple investment checklist Is that a good business? Is that Cheap? Who is running it? What did I miss? Using this lens, l will look at #Apar Industries
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Ibbotson's 2026 guide is amongst the most well researched data on stock markets and bonds returns for the world. I have selected very few charts which will be of interest to Indian investors 1/N
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For setting base rates of expectation. From passive investments stocks markets returns expectations should be 4-6% real returns and if inflation is 4-6% then 8-12%. Given India's expected growth we should be on the upper end of the range. 3/N
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4/4 Would love to get hold of the primary data for India for doing additional analysis.
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I think India also needs it. I see loads of Indians incl. staff who earns 15-20k pm but will use smart phone worth 20K. Or entitled teenagers (enough in my extended family) who wouldn't use a phone unless it's an iPhone!! How about this as a business idea for MFs They create a front like this. 😎 The user feels like he is shopping for bags / shoes/ electronics etc but actual money goes to index fund. What say? @NileshShah68 @Iamsamirarora @KalpenParekh @SunilBSinghania
The final frontier of consumerism has arrived in South Korea.
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Was speaking to friend who is buying a RE in Powai, Mumbai. He said rentals are increasing quite sharply in the last 2 yrs. ~10% CAGR. He lives in a 3 BHK and buying a 2BHK which he will put on rent in the same society as a rent inflation hedge I was surprised to hear that prevailing rental yield for that society was 4.5%. (It used to be 1-2% between across Mumbai while I was there between 2008-16) With home loan rate of ~7.5%, and a rental yield of 4.5% and an expected price increase of 5-6% p.a. this is likely to be ~15% post tax IRR trade assuming 20-25% equity. 4.5% Rental yield is excellent for a residential property in Mumbai. Is that one off?
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SIP flows How the last 24 months fared. Notice that net SIP flows to Large Cap have turned negative in last 2 months. Logically large caps which is 2.5x of Mid caps and 5x of Small caps should see the maximum flows. But that's not happening over the last 2 yrs. Last 1 year is even more pronounced. FlexiCaps are the ones which I am assuming is allocating 60-65% of the flows to large caps are providing some kind of balance. But flows to Flexicaps itself if slowing down. Once you look at the flows as % of FF mkt cap you can see where the bubbles are forming. Largecaps appear cheap. Mega caps more so as reflected in Nifty.
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Last time I had checked earlier in the month H acid was trading around 1600/- kg. If the below is true. Some of these backward integrated companies will make more net profit in a month then they do in a year.
H ACID PRICES SURGES TO RUPEES 2850/KG FROM RUPEES 500/KG TILL NOW (KIRI IND, BODAL CHEM AND BHAGERIA IND)
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As I have been repeating this over and over and over again. Last 10 yrs were a global abberation where multiples kept on rising. I think that is ending/ended and we may see multiples more aligned with history across the world. Yes 40x+ normalised earnings is exception rather than a rule. Be very careful of what you are willing to pay for a business. India still has a lot of froth in midcap small caps names where some names are trading 15-20x revenues!!!! Avoid them like a plague.
$AAPL. I love the products. I am typing this on one. The stock is a different conversation. * 2009 to 2019: earnings per share grew 25% a year. You could buy the stock for about 16x earnings. * 2019 to today: earnings per share grew 17% a year. The stock trades at 39x. * Growth slowed by a third. Price per dollar of earnings more than doubled. * And that 17% flatters the business. About 4 points of it came from buybacks shrinking the share count. Strip that out and the business itself grew 13% a year. * Buybacks are wonderful when the stock is cheap. At 16x, a year of Apple's profits could retire about 6% of the company. At 39x, the same profits retire about 2.5%. The higher the stock goes, the less the buyback does. * Where did the growth come from? Apple sold 231 million iPhones in 2015 and about 247 million last year, per IDC. That is 7% more phones in ten years. iPhone revenue is up 35% because the average phone costs about $175 more. Raising prices is a fine business. It is not a growth business. * So: slower growth, mostly from pricing, a buyback that does less every year, and a stock priced at more than twice what investors paid for a decade. * I have seen this movie. Walmart in 2000. Nike in 2021. Nothing wrong with the company. The stock got ahead of the business. Either the business grows into the price, or the price comes down to the business.
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Love such negative pieces. Only edge in the markets is behavioral. It's crazy to see this now after two years of flat market. Stay the course. Infact I will say this is the time to increase allocation to markets. Especially large caps , especially Nifty. Enough Quality franchises are finally available at cheap / fair values. Go long on Nifty if you don't want to do individual names. After today's fall Axis is also looking as attractive as HDFC bank at 12x earnings!! When you invest in enough of them, good things starts to happen. Diversification takes care of any event risk. I think time to look at few private life insurance players also.
Markets Sense a Long Era of Instability: Don’t Buy the Fall (a) Govt is distracted (b) FIIs dislike mass protests (c) 2021-26: Nifty below-FD Return (d) FD rates will rise; Build Cash (d) China 17 yrs 0 return (e) Here’s India Data & Facts: Second Order Effects on Economy a. Govt is facing real political storms. It has no bandwidth left for major economic policy or reforms to attract foreign investment. b. Foreign funds don’t invest where mass protests and public discontent are a daily affair. Their bet on India was a strong govt; strong economic agenda. c. Inflation rising, unemployment rising; IT exports declining; Rupee under pressure. RBI is forced to fight inflation. FD rates will rise in Oct. Zero Risk Premium in Equity a. 5-Year Returns: Sept 2021 to Sept 2026 (5 Yrs): Nifty 50 Return: 32.3%; Post Office Deposit Return: 34.4%; SBI 5-Yr FD Return: 30.8% b. 3-Year Returns: Nifty 50 Return: 15.58%; Sensex Return: 9.94%; Post Office Deposit Return: 21.56%; SBI FD Risk-Free Return: 21.34% c. Last 3 Years: Out of a universe of 2,867 stocks, 43.3% delivered negative returns (one-third lost up to 50% value; 11% lost above 50% value). d. Risk-Reward Ratio: In last 3 years, you had a 43.3% probability of destroying your capital. Against such high risk, even if you won, the returns were far too negligible to justify such volatile investment. Don’t Bet on Growth Narrative a. Yesterday, Kotak published a chart showing that China stock market (CSI 300) has remained sideways for the last 17 yrs; and has not yet regained the level it set 18 yrs ago. b. Howard Marks published data in his recent memo: In the last 100 yrs, each time you bought S&P 500 at forward PE 23x, the annualized return in the next 10 yrs has been between +2% and -2%. Every single time. No exceptions. c. India is no exception. India’s growth story of FDI, FII, IT boom, low inflation is long over. Over the next 5 yrs, the downside risk looks higher than the upside potential. If you go all-in, that’s a risky bet for your mental peace, with little potential upside. Why Are FIIs So Pessimistic? a. On Aug 28, Bernstein published a hard-hitting strategy note: "India’s corporate earnings are artificially engineered through state subsidies, fiscal cushions, and borrowed offshore dollars rather than through genuine productivity gains." b. Market bulls touted NSE 200 top-line growth was 12%. Yet, net profit grew only 7%. Bernstein questioned the practice of excluding loss-making oil marketing companies (OMCs) "to manufacture a strong earnings growth story." c. Govt expanded LPG/fertilizer subsidies, took $10B hit through excise duty reductions, $20B GST cuts, OMCs took $2B loss. So govt subsidized consumer spending power, which artificially padded the firms’ operating margins. That's not a long-term play. d. $70B Pay Commission wage revision is coming, which will encumber sovereign balance sheet and cut govt’s capacity for public capex. Plus, with costly FCNR deposits, govt is purchasing rupee stability on credit, Bernstein warned. e. Finally, Bernstein says India’s large caps are not investing in the future, and are consolidating their past (preserving balance sheets). Companies with deepest pockets don’t want to commit capital to emerging technologies, and want policy protection. f. In this scenario, FIIs are forced to look at small and midcaps (SMIDs). But those companies remain sub-scale, with low free-floats, high volatility, and risky corporate governance. Institutional capital is not interested. Bernstein concludes: With these problems, why should FIIs invest in India? ENDPIECE: Investor Strategy a. PE de-rating is going on globally. World-class US companies are available at throwaway prices, and there are no buyers. So, don’t get tempted by a falling market in India. b. Build cash patiently. Unwind risky positions. Cash has 3 benefits: (1) Emergency funds give security & happiness (2) FD may beat equity for next few years (3) If global equity crashes, you will be the only buyer in town. c. Think in Probabilities: Considering all macro factors: (1) India Equity Boom: 20% chance (2) Sideways: 60% chance (3) Bust: 20% chance FD wins: 60% + 20% = 80% chance Equity wins: 20% chance Markets are the greatest game on earth. The dream to get rich is as old as the hills. Most investors will still pick equity. @arabicatrader
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Selling options is picking up pennies in front of a steamroller. Works great until you trip PBFintech 1300 Put saw 2121x returns 1400 Put saw 383x returns Go figure. Selling options can bankrupt you!
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Bancinsurance. WA forward (Src seems to be JM) My take (Bit contra) 1) MFI % of PBT looks higher because FY25 and FY26 were not great. For eg. Ujjivan will do 1600+ PBT this year and even if assume 200 crs of this fee thats 12-13%. 2) Even if the guidelines become law, MFIs will get least impacted. It's not that a MFI borrower has a lot of choice. (Even someone like me have to push really hard to not do property insurance for our RE purchases. Eventually I settle for lower insurance amt ). At current prices of 62-63 , Ujjivan is trading 10.5x FY27E and is dirt cheap. And is very very attractive.
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When you buy really cheap you allow serendipity to happen. With a stroke of pen IRDAI can change the fortunes of several companies.. LIC - Most of the value comes from already written policies in the past. They were losing market share. This new rules will slow that down. They anyway pay lower commissions. So if implemented this is going to be very favourable for LIC in the medium term.
Investment Opportunity highlight - LIC. A completely hated PSU Mega Cap. Thanks to @saurabhved for highlighting this in our monthly VP meet in Calcutta 13th September. Over the next 2 days I tried to understand the opportunity and below is my understanding in numbers NSE listing is likely to add 6% kicker to LIC Embedded EV as LIC owns ~10% 1/3
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I ran a poll on Gold expectations over the next 5 yrs. Blended expectations is 7.5k *50% + 12.5k *21% + 2.5k*20 + 17.5k*10% = 8625 That's ~14.6% expected CAGR. Assuming nominal world gdp grows at 5% CAGR that will take the ratio to 40% of world GDP. That will be roughly double of the prior peak in the last 100 years!!! I will suggest all of you to temper your Gold expectations. PS @dmuthuk since TN owns ~25% of HH gold in India, any sharp call might impact the state the most.
Is this time different? Above-ground gold is now ~26% on 2026 year-to-date world GDP numbers. The floating-era mean is 8.7%. The last cycle peak, 1980, was 18.6%. The low was 3.9% in 2001. A picture is worth 1,000 words. I will not bet against history. Will you?
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Make whatever you want to make of it. 11x in 4 years for a large cap. 90Bn to 1 trillion!!!!
AMD joins the $1 TRILLION club! Shares jump almost 10%, lifting its market cap to $1.005tn. It’s the 7th chipmaker to cross the threshold, after Nvidia, TSMC, Broadcom, Micron, Samsung & SK Hynix. From just $90bn in October 2022: an elevenfold increase in under 4yrs.
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A friend of mine was discussing $Acutaas chemicals in an investment WA group. I had never looked at it. He has pharma expertise and making lot of good points why the business will do great. I looked at Screener and saw it was roughly trading 20x Revenues! At that valuation, I don't need to know the business, its an automatic avoid. I believe $MSFT is one of the greatest businesses of all times certainly so till Smarphones came along. And this is Mkt cap to Sales for it over its listed history. You can still make money in Acutaas but if you invest in 10 such companies irrespective of the narrative, in 9 you will loose money. And I am being conservative. Probably 19/20 will loose money. .
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US market excesses
GMO outlines a blended stock valuation measure — price to sales, gross profit, economic book and normalised earnings — running from 1981 to June 2026, with the latest reading in the 4th percentile of that 45-year history.
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This is what you get for 32-33Cr in Argentina Capital suburb. Pilar as per google is similar to luxury area of Gurgaon. Except here get vertical high rises vs there they prefer horizontal.
$3.5 Million USD dollar house in Pilar (Buenos Aires) One of those examples of an investment that probably won't be able to exit for years and years if ever.
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I am saying just the reverse. Sell US and buy Indian large caps. Stay away from midcaps and small cap index. (Ofcourse individual stocks is a different matter all together)
Majority of people around me are now investing more in US, saying Indian story is over. Majority of brokers are launching US investing. Majority of Indian finance podcasts now talks more about buying US. Majority of my DMs are about how to invest in US. Many posts & replies on X saying they exited India recently and only invest in US now. In general, when everyone is so positive on something - I like to be little careful.
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Who is going to point out one basic but very flaw with the study ? Any statistics student here?
94.2% of 5-Year Rolling Periods: Multifactor Outperformed Nifty 500.
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