Interwar Germany was arguably the most literate society in human history, just a bizarre argument
What's the connection between fascism and illiteracy? A third of British adults who used to read for pleasure don't anymore. And according to the OECD, literacy itself, not just the habit of it, is declining or stagnating across most of the developed world. In a new book, The New Dark Ages, @j_amesmarriott argues that we're living through a great unwinding: a retreat from the written word and the kind of rational, analytical mind that print culture built over five centuries, back towards something closer to the pre-literate world: one dominated not by books, but by images, screens, and short-form video. In this episode of The New Society, @tanjil_rashid_ is joined by @j_amesmarriott to ask: are we really heading back into the dark?

Sep 19, 2026 · 2:54 PM UTC

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Just clarifying as James has asked me too that he thinks there isn't a direct link between fascism and illiteracy. For my part I never meant to say I thought he was suggesting Germans couldn't read or something.
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This clip has been taken out of context. I don't think there is a relationship between fascism and illiteracy. I think there is one between fascism + radio/cinema. If you watch the longer video you will see that the high literacy of Germany is precisely what we are discussing.
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To be clear, the essence of my disagreement is the idea that fascism was just a wave of irrationality perpetuated by spectacle, image and sound. Spengler and Schmitt in Germany, or Giovanni Gentile and Gabriele D'Annunzio in Italy were not that.
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My point of disagreement was never premised on the idea that you were saying interwar germans couldn't read, but that fascism was somehow anti-literate or purely based on spectacle. But it was primarily a literary phenomenon (and often a high brow one)
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This clip has been taken out of context. I don't think there is a relationship between fascism and illiteracy. I think there is one between fascism + radio/cinema. If you watch the longer video you will see that the high literacy of Germany is precisely what we are discussing.
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Indeed.
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yeah but my chart says fascism up and data say illiteracy up we all know correlation equals causation
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So much so that one of the traditional questions of the 1930s was "why did some of the most advanced and modernist countries fall to fascism." Obviously lots of reasons why - but to make this a question of lack of literacy is to completely misunderstand the era.
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The creator of Fascism was a JOURNALIST Even the founder of the Venice film festival was a hardcore fascist These people bru 💀💀💀💀
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It is remarkable how historically ignorant even credentialed people are these days.
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This is not an interwar Germany specific phenomenon and was a result of policies implemented in Prussia and the German Empire
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Yes - and fascism’s adherents were the doctors and lawyers. History has been rewritten as feckless aristocracy meets dim brown shirted brawlers. It was the chattering classes.
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Are you misunderstanding his a point or am I misunderstanding yours? He recognizes that Germany was a literate society, and says it was other factors such as the economic crisis, despite literacy, that led to fascism. The first thing he says is literacy isn’t the only factor.
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My intuition would tell me it had something to do with a new form of information dissemination (radio then vs. social media now) influencing how we interact with / volume and quality of info that hadn't properly been socially negotiated or managed yet
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He continues to omit to point out that the most conspicuously post-literate people in politics today are the Greens and far left, as illustrated by their ethereal utopianism and economic naivety
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Crack pipe? 🤔 Literary great, Ezra Pound was an open supporter of German and Italian fascism. Fascist or not, it is impossible to place Pound's support in the context of widespread interwar illiteracy. He wrote for German literary periodicals in the 1920's - in German.
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Ethnic Russians are also a very literate people and yet…
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There's a very odd misunderstanding that fascism came from brutish blue-collar men, when in fact it was primarily an artists' movement
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The uncharitable interpretation is that this is just an attempt to manufacture consent in that 'not reading = being stupid' and 'being against neolib policies = fascism' therefore 'you're stupid if you don't agree with me'.
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How was the economy ?
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I've also not seen a single one of these people define and breakdown what Fascism is. We know why they dont do it.
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There probably hasn’t been a government since 1945 with as many doctorates as the Nazi regime.
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The “evil” idea of white nationalism
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"Literacy is declining in the liberal western world. This is because of fascism, somehow"
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didn’t Goebbels have a doctorate in literature?
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He made this point himself.
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Germany of the early 20th century was the centre of European intellectual culture. Their universities were the envy of the world.
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they were institutionally and culturally despondent but they were far from illiterate, what a weird argument. You can explain a ton of thing about post WW1 Germany being fucked but literacy/education isn't part of it. If anything they were too literate and lacked leadership.
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He does say literacy didn’t preserve democracy in the circumstances of 1930s Germany, so it seems pretty clear he understands that.
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James Marriot is the biggest fraud in British media and that’s saying an awful lot
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It's the comforting idea that all of their ideological opponents are stupid and ineffectual.
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Firstly, Nazism was not Fascism. Secondly, the driver of Nazism was economic collapse, humiliation over Versailles, fear of Bolshevism, elite complicity, and the content of what a literate public was being fed, not whether it could read
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I've always thought fascism and National Socialism were two different things as did Winston Churchill. Of course Hitler disagreed.
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I wish it was that easy.
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he could probably make an argument for Italy, which was far less literate, but even then fascism was quite popular among the educated middle class
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Fascism is when you challenge Anglo-American hegemony.
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They constantly lie about intelligence levels and far right people. The smartest people to ever exist were far right. And it’s not even close
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Our replacements are so much smarter.
We wuz telling time n sheeeiit ⏰
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