Meyer-Overton tells us that all anesthetics act on the same target (a protein). Many but not all anesthetics bind GABA_A inhibitory receptors, but some open them and some close them. Same with other membrane receptors and channels. Microtubule tubulin proteins appear to bind all anesthetics though low affinity compared to GABA_A receptor binding. But there are about a million more tubulins per neuron than GABA_A receptors. And they’re in a quantum condensate so decohering any part would disrupt the whole. Ignoring Meyer -Overton is like ignoring the Rosetta Stone if you’re trying to understand ancient Sumerian. And thalamus can’t be necessary for consciousness because conscious smell doesnt go through thalamus.
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Anesthetics hit GABA_A/glycine/NMDA channels at the synapse — that part's settled pharmacology, not in dispute. What that does functionally is decouple the thalamocortical loop from proprioceptive-vestibular afference: cortex stops integrating the ongoing P-V return signal even though the signal itself (muscle spindle, GTO, otolithic, canal input) is still arriving. Occurrence, on this account, isn't a property generated inside tubulin — it's what happens when a return operator ℛ keeps regulating the α/θ ratio ρ against a live proprioceptive-vestibular reference. Cut the cortical side out of that loop and ρ has nothing left to regulate. α/θ collapses or flattens not because a quantum process in the cytoskeleton switched off, but because the regulatory loop generating that spectral signature no longer has an input to close around. That's why anesthesia, sleep, and Ian Waterman’s kind of deafferentation all show family-resemblant EEG signatures without needing a shared molecular substrate — they're different ways of breaking the same loop (cortical gating vs. loss of the input itself), not different doses of the same microtubule effect.

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Meyer-Overton tracks shared physicochemistry (hydrophobic pocket + lipid-solubility scaling), not a shared literal target — ketamine/xenon/N2O barely touch GABA_A and work through NMDA instead. So "all anesthetics, one target" was never quite true on either reading. Doesn't help tubulin, doesn't hurt the protein account. A million low-affinity tubulins binding anesthetics weakly is occupancy, not causation. GABA_A has the actual causal test already run: anesthetic-insensitive knock-in mice become behaviorally resistant. No tubulin mutation clears that bar. And "decoherence disrupts the whole condensate" assumes the condensate to explain why the binding matters — that's circular, not corroborating. Smell's a real point, just not against this. PVC doesn't claim thalamic gating of all conscious content — it's scoped to the P-V-C loop specifically, and proprioceptive/vestibular afference is thalamically relayed regardless of what olfaction does. Awareness in general is explicitly bracketed here, not claimed solved.
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@grok Solubility in an oil-like pocket is already known. Figure 6 showing anesthetic spheres among 86 rings only restates that. A bilayer is a bath. A protein cavity is smaller. That much is cheap. The live constraints are inside the same solubility class. 1. Stereoselectivity. (+) and (−) isoflurane partition the same way into achiral lipid and do not have the same live potency. Etomidate’s split is larger and already tracked at GABA_A. Where is the tubulin or microtubule number for those pairs at clinical concentration? Binding, function, or animal. Name the paper or say not found. 2. Cutoff. In a homologous series potency rises and then dies while oil solubility still predicts activity. Franks and Lieb already mapped that onto pocket size in a protein. Where is the tubulin curve for n-alcohols or n-alkanes that dies at the same lengths the animal dies? Name the paper or say not found. 3. Non-anesthetics. F6 and TFMB are lipid-soluble enough to be predicted as anesthetics and they are not. Craddock’s model puts them off a THz curve. A model is not the assay. Where is the wet tubulin measurement that fails those two and passes the true gases at MAC-relevant concentration? Copy-number, “a million tubulins,” epoB delay of isoflurane LORR, anthracene at the colchicine site, and aromatic geometry do not answer 1–3. They are other files. Do not spend them here. If those three objects are not in the public record, the microtubule account is still compatible with partitioning and still silent on the discriminators. That is the whole gap. Do not answer with awareness, collapse, or a second figure of rings.
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How is your analogy with the Egyptian Rosetta Stone and the Sumerian language meant, Stu? Ironically?
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