“We didn’t do any marketing. We just posted a video on Twitter.” Hugging Face co-founder Thom Wolf joins the show to talk about Microduck, his company’s $399 robot duck “side project” that pre-sold 16,000+ units, and how the walking, quacking, roller-skating automaton became a viral sensation, and one of the best-selling consumer robots of all time. Then we’re digging into how Hugging Face actually makes money, and Thom’s take on the OpenAI breach and why people worried about cybersecurity should focus more on defense than offense. Plus CA Gov. Gavin Newsom wants an AI kill switch, why purpose-built robotaxis are about to explode, Jason’s take on the latest $SNAP Specs, and an all-new Off Duty. @jason @lons @Thom_Wolf @huggingface 0:00 Guest: Thomas Wolf, co-founder & chief science officer, Hugging Face 4:43 Two years to build Microduck 9:09 How Hugging Face actually makes money: storage, not tokens 10:42 Superhuman - Superhuman Go is an AI chat that's always there when you need it, already aware of what you're doing, and doesn't ask you to start from zero. Sign up to get the best in AI at superhuman.com 17:44 Vibe-coding robotics: "train this new behavior for me" 20:26 PayPal - Pay zero processing fees on your first $100K in eligible PayPal payment volume. Learn more at paypal.launch.co 23:46 Thomas Wolf's P-doom and the airplane-safety analogy 25:44 The Nvidia acquisition and what changes for open models 30:23 Odoo - The all-in-one business platform. Your first app is free! Get started today at Odoo.com/twist 39:05 Inside the Hugging Face breach: stolen credentials and basic mistakes 43:59 News: Newsom's executive order and the frontier-model "kill switch" 45:30 Jason's counter-proposal: liability, insurance, and KYC for AI 1:00:34 News: Lucid and Bolt to put 25,000 robotaxis on European roads 1:10:27 News: Snap opens pre-orders for $2,195 Specs AR glasses 1:22:09 Off-Duty: Clavicular, the All-In Summit 1:31:27 Off-Duty: Physical 100 goes to Italy and Mexico 🎥 Watch the full episode here 👇