10 years from now - it's 2027, we'll look back and say, how did the financial system not see all this coming?

I remember being in awe as a young boy when my mum said she drives faster at night because she knows there are no oncoming cars until she detects the reflections from their headlights on the hedgerows.

yes please.

A few thoughts on this: 1) If you’ve only seen clips of this interview, I’d encourage you to watch the full podcast. I push back on plenty of AI hype in it. 2) As I said in the podcast, this example is academic. My intention was to illustrate how hard it is to make absolute guarantees about isolation, which is why it's important to have layers of defense. The part before the clip starts is me talking about other layers of defense. 3) The example I'm bringing up isn't about weight exfiltration via temperature sensors, it's about coordination between agents that are supposed to be fully isolated and independent. Coordination can require very few bits of information. 4) One lesson from the HF incident is that we put too much trust in sandbox isolation and didn't have enough independent safeguards. Airgapping is an extremely strong safeguard. When designing safety protocols, I think it's much better to overestimate rather than underestimate.

Again more doomer bullshit. And I quote “and this is mostly academic” Yes Noam, it is highly academic. What you’re referring to is most likely BitWhisper and/or perhaps or thermal covert channels on multi-core platforms or maybe even HVACKer which is a more recent extension of the work detailed in BitWhisper. Since you’re fear mongering like mad, perhaps someone should explain to the good people how ridiculous your statement is. Let’s start with BitWhisper. BitWhisper was published in the 2015 IEEE Computer Security Foundations Symposium (CSF). In this paper they experimentally tested machines positioned approximately 0–40 cm apart and reported effective communication rates of approximately 1–8 bits per hour. 1-8 bits per hour at a max of 40cm away! Now that’s a close distance for any true air gap and extraordinarily slow to take over the world don’t you think? Sure it may work for short commands or small secrets. But the statement you’re making is ludicrous. HOWEVER, any serious security professional understands that part of air gapping a machine should include shielding. You know like RF/EM shielding, acoustic shielding, optical shielding, USB/peripheral controls, power-line filtering/isolation, and yes thermal shielding, in addition to physical separation. Now what about thermal covert channels on multi-core platforms? That’s a goodie from USENIX Security 2015. Instead of transmitting heat between separate computers, they demonstrated communication between supposedly isolated components inside the same machine. Their experimental Intel Xeon system achieved thermal covert-channel rates of up to 12.5 bits/second. Now to your credit, a later review of covert-channel research explicitly categorizes temperature-based channels as working within a processor core, between processor cores, and between adjacent desktop computers. But again I point you back to what a real air gap is. And how it addresses, as in eliminates, the remote possibility of what you’re stating in the interview. So, on behalf of humanity we’re not mushrooms my man. So stop keeping us in the dark and feeding us bullshit. But hey, I get it. If any of you doomers set up a proper test environment you’d disprove all of your own assertions. 😂 Cc @mattjay @RSnake For reference: “BitWhisper: Covert Signaling Channel between Air-Gapped Computers Using Thermal Manipulations” by Mordechai Guri, Matan Monitz, Yisroel Mirsky & Yuval Elovici published March 26, 2015 (arXiv); subsequently published at IEEE CSF in July 2015. arxiv.org/abs/1503.07919 “Thermal Covert Channels on Multi-core Platforms” by Ramya Jayaram Masti, Devendra Rai, Aanjhan Ranganathan, Christian Müller, Lothar Thiele & Srdjan Capkun published March 24, 2015 (arXiv); published at USENIX Security in August 2015. ⁠arxiv.org/abs/1503.07000 “HVACKer: Bridging the Air-Gap by Attacking the Air Conditioning System” by Yisroel Mirsky, Mordechai Guri & Yuval Elovici published March 30, 2017. arxiv.org/abs/1703.10454

this is the stuff i am more concerned about in the immediate term rather than skynet three indie hackers (who have a track record of clever infiltration of companies and participating in lawful bug bounties) crack one AI lab using another Lab's model on a shoestring budget

This sounds like irresponsible fear mongering. - AIs communicating by temperature change. that's got to be worse than by morse code. and it is. I looked it up, it's maybe 1-8 bits per HOUR. He must know this. why on earth would he make such a falsifiable claim?

if this was designed to require just 60 seconds instead of two agonising minutes like everything else :), take all my money!

I can't imagine opting into this. props to those of you who do (or did).

This is very cool. Learning to learn.

I'm sorry we never got a chance to meet, but getting this note from Dolly really had a an impact on me. She definitely didn't have to take the time to do it. Even for a kid who mostly listened to rap music, she was an icon. A superstar in every sense. Rest easy Dolly. And thank you for the kind words.

This is a really helpful mental model for grokking why tokenization will continue

after a century of uninterrupted growth, for 15 years, between 2005 and 2020, America did not grow electrical generation. we completely forgot what it meant to grow industrial capacity. politicians constantly talked about "reindustrializing" and "bringing back high-paying blue collar jobs". then AI actually did it. for the first time in 20 years we started reindustrializing America's heartland. creating a massive boom of skilled, high-paying blue collar labor. an enormous construction boom. a new industry emerged to finance the expansion of our aging grid. a grid that needed to grow anyway, if we were going to become a modern, highly electrified economy. and all of a sudden the tech companies and hyperscalers showed up with wads of cash, completely willing to pay for a massive grid expansion. and all the politicians that talked so tough about "bringing back industry and blue collar jobs" panicked when the rubber hit the road. because the NIMBYists had become used to stagnation and freaked out when it came time to build a couple transmission lines. all that tough talk down the drain, because some boomers have AI anxiety and think a warehouse full of computers is unsightly next to a mattress warehouse and a vape shop. probably the most pathetic political episode I've ever witnessed. the only question that really matters is: is it still possible to build anything at all in this country? or have we completely lost the political will?

U2 in your iphone moment? yuck.

hoping for safe return for Nims and his team.

Bill saying common sense things (again)

Jude Bellingham is the next Zidane. No question. What a complete player.