Such grotesque language Wish I could take a person like this even onto an organic vegetable farm where they need blood and bone meal to grow the veggies

If the point is reducing direct consumption of animal products, vegetables grown with fertilizer still involve far less animal material than eating meat directly.

Do you avoid grain or consider that as falling under a principle of double effect? I’ve always wondered this about ethical vegetarians since finding out the number of small mammals that get mangled or crushed by combine harvesters.

I eat grains. those absurd conversations are created to justify cruelty of 200 mln animals being killed daily for consumption. Grains (including good quality bread) grow under sun and have perfect energy and vitamins, nutrients for you. I enjoy those, nuts, veggies,fruits daily

My grass fed grown under the sun beef is 1 death per million calories. Your grains come out to around 300 deaths per million calories & with manure/ blood/ bone fertilizer they also take a share of those beef deaths. You are tragically misinformed regarding your existence

That doesn’t even include insects. Or the biodiversity opportunity cost.

Have you heard of tropic levels? If everyone ate grass fed cows then there'd be a lot fewer people alive. And a lot fewer animals, since cows would crowd out all the native plants and animals. Why do people always seem ignore the existence of trophic levels in these convos?