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This reminds me of a fascinating story I read,of when in the 1970s Daniel Everett,a linguist and Christian went to the Amazon jungle to convert a tribe called the piraha people to Christianity and completely failed for one crazy reason šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚ When Daniel Everett arrived with his wife and kids at the remote PirahĆ£ village in the Amazon, His mission was clear…learn their language,translate the New Testament,and convert this isolated hunter gatherer group to Christianity. What he encountered instead was one of the most radical cultural and linguistic worldviews ever documented šŸ˜‚. From his experience,Everett eventually formalized what he called the ā€œImmediacy of Experience Principleā€. What this means in essence is the PirahĆ£ culture and grammar strongly constrain what can be meaningfully discussed or believed…to them,knowledge must be anchored in direct,personal observation or at most in the recent testimony of living people you know. Things that happened long ago,that no one alive has seen,or that exist only in abstract or supernatural realms fall into the category of what they called xibipĆ­o (ā€œgone out of experienceā€). They don’t deny it outrightly.. to them, such things simply carry no weight and are not worth serious talk. This principle shapes everything for them… and is why they have No creation myths or origin storis , No numbers beyond rough quantities like ā€œa fewā€ or ā€œmany.ā€ , No recursive embedding in grammar (you can’t easily say ā€œkelvin’s brother’s houseā€ … you say two separate sentences). Their Stories and discourse stay tethered to the here and now. Now Christian theology, by contrast, is built on precisely the kind of claims the PirahĆ£ worldview filters out…A distant creation,Miracles and events from thousands of years ago, A savior no living person has met, Salvation and afterlife described in ancient texts. Everett tried …He told them the story of Jesus..his birth,teachings,death,and resurrection. The PirahĆ£ listened politely,then asked the questions their language and culture demanded… ā€œHave you met this man?ā€ ā€œDid you see him?ā€ ā€œDid your father see him?ā€ When Everett admitted he had not , that these events happened 2,000 years earlier and were known only through a book,the conversation effectively ended šŸ˜‚. ā€œThat’s interesting,ā€ some of them would say, treating the Gospel the same way they treated any other distant tale…as something outside lived experience, therefore irrelevant to how they live and what they believe. Notice It wasn’t hostile rejection(like the one you’d get from the people of the sentinel islands in India). It was epistemological incompatibility. The theology couldn’t even gain traction because their entire system of knowledge validation rejected second hand ancient testimony. Everett kept trying for years. He failed to produce a usable Bible translation. Meanwhile, living among people who were profoundly content, generous, and empirically grounded …with no concept of sin, eternal punishment, or a distant deity. By 1982 he himself started havinv serious doubts about his beliefs and by 1985 he had quietly become an atheist. The man who had come to convert the PirahĆ£ had instead been ā€œconvertedā€ by their way of seeing reality.šŸ˜… As Everett later wrote and said in interviews, the deepest challenge wasn’t an argument against Christianity. It was living inside a culture where the very criteria for what counts as real knowledge made supernatural historical claims feel as weightless as yesterday’s dream. The PirahĆ£ didn’t need to debate theology. Their language and worldview simply had no slot for it and, in the process, they helped a missionary lose his faith without ever raising their voices.šŸ˜‚ Makes you wonder, what would a Christian say the fate of these people is? Eternal torment? We can all see how that would be problematic. Would they somehow make heaven and get judged by how they live their lives? But That would make the whole Christian message irrelevant. šŸ™‚
The average Christian thinks Christianity was only spread by missionaries peacefully
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We can take it on all of them simultaneously… the government o , the church o , the mosque o .. Arsenal fans … all of them.
Dear Nigerians, The church is not your problem. Go and take it up with the weak government. What rubbish is this??????
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The extracts he posted are confessional scholarship either way. There is a prior commitment to protecting a dogma, biblical inerrancy. The interpretation/reading is apologetic in nature and not necessarily critical…..
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What a drama queen
Christ did not just die, he was brutally tortured.
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It’s 3:14am… I Woke up to pee … decided I should respond to this after going through it (I didn’t the first time because I didn’t have the strength) My argument was never simply that nahaam has only one possible English translation, therefore God made a mistake. That would indeed be a semantic argument. My point is about the narrative as a whole. Genesis 6 doesn’t merely say that God observed human wickedness. It says that God was grieved(if that’s the word you want to use) that He had made humanity, and then immediately has God announce that He will blot out the humanity He created because He is ā€œsorryā€ that He made them. The emotional response is followed by a drastic attempt to reverse the situation by drowning everyone bar Noah and his family . So if God is omniscient and already knew exactly what humanity would become before creating them, what exactly are we supposed to make of that sequence abeg? You can tell me that naham has a range of meanings. Fine. You can tell me that Mathews the evangelical conservative pastor (of course I checked) interprets the passage as divine grief rather than a cognitive error. Fine. But neither point removes the underlying tension being raised … the narrative portrays God as retrospectively distressed about having created humanity and then taking drastic action in response to that outcome. I ain’t arguing that the passage necessarily means that God made an intellectual mistake because He didn’t know what would happen. I’m arguing that, given omniscience, the story’s depiction of God regretting/grieving His creative decision and then effectively undoing much of it through the Flood creates precisely the tension I’m pointing to. that’s why simply listing alternative meanings of naham doesn’t settle the issue. The question ain’t if naham can mean something else somewhere in the Hebrew Bible… sure it can. The actual question is what does the author intend by it here, given the immediate context, the Flood that follows, and the fact that the God being described is supposed to have known the entire outcome beforehand? That’s the argument I’m making.
Sigh šŸ˜®ā€šŸ’ØšŸ˜®ā€šŸ’ØšŸ˜®ā€šŸ’Ø I gave four distinct claims, four to help you: 1. The judge analogy. 2. The range of nacham. 3. (Divine) Accommodation as a theory of speech, and 4. Salvian’s three-clause reading. Your disgraceful response names none of them. The you compresses all four into ā€œGod’s ways are not our ways,ā€ then calls the length the argument. That is you be blatantly stupid. I guess the overestimation comes from my part. Overestimating that you had the ability to read and comprehend. Given our previous encounters I should have been familiar with you folly. This is Kenneth A. Mathews THE NEW AMERICAN COMMENTARY Mathews notes what you called ā€œlexical gamesā€: Genesis 5:29 and 6:6 share the same three roots — nįø„m / ʿśh / Źæį¹£b — on purpose. Lamech hoped Noah would comfort from painful toil. The narrator answers with God grieved that He made man, pained to the heart. Same vocabulary. Different direction. That is literary context, not a thesaurus dodge. Same commentary: the AV’s ā€œrepentā€ has troubled readers because Numbers 23:19 and 1 Samuel 15:29 say God does not repent. Translators already mark the difference — ā€œgrieved/sorryā€ in Genesis 6, ā€œrelentā€ in Exodus 32, ā€œdoes not change his mindā€ in 1 Samuel 15:29. Context decides meaning. You used one scene and pretended it was the whole canon. So pick a lane. Either ā€œregretā€ means a planning error, which Mathews denies, or it names God’s holy opposition to a ruined image-bearer, which the Flood then enacts. You are arguing with the first while citing the second as if they were the same word. If this is still ā€œapologist speak,ā€ quote Mathews’ sentence and show where it fails. Do not review my paragraph length.
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people don’t get how insane it is
The highest earning YouTuber in Nigeria being a fucking pastor explains so much about this country šŸ˜…šŸ˜…šŸ˜…
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People no know how much that man dey pack from YouTube I dey come, make i do post for them today
The highest earning YouTuber in Nigeria being a fucking pastor explains so much about this country šŸ˜…šŸ˜…šŸ˜…
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I pointed out a while ago how only one out of the top 100 richest humans on Earth is from Nigeria but how four out of the top ten richest pastors were Nigerians. Quite an interesting distribution there! šŸ™‚
The highest earning YouTuber in Nigeria being a fucking pastor explains so much about this country šŸ˜…šŸ˜…šŸ˜…
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The woman who posted this is insulting people’s mothers in the comments because they disagree with her šŸ˜…šŸ˜… and she’s not the only Christian who would insult and curse you for disagreeing .. they are all over the internet. That’s how you know the Christianity practiced serves a lot of purpose .. none of which is chasing salvation.
I’m a Nigerian in the Uk and I attended NSPPD prayer conference yesterday at Old Trafford Stadium, Manchester. I heard some of you in Nigeria are angry😃😃 Na Azen una be na. God came through for some of us in this country in a way you can’t imagine. Allow us oooo
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Mentally weak nation… Bunch of brainless adults hoping for fufu miracle in a crumbling economy
The highest earning YouTuber in Nigeria being a fucking pastor explains so much about this country šŸ˜…šŸ˜…šŸ˜…
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See proper crash out, lol…
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Tinubu’s economy is really affecting every buinsness organization in Nigeria.
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If hackers successfully steal your Bvn identity now and withdrew all your cash, you’d blame banks for not having better security protocols for changing names like .. you know…. Going to be bank physically. šŸ˜
I updated my name on my BVN, all the banks expect me to come physically to change my name at their branch but on my OPay they just needed me to click a button on the app, they checked my bvn and updated it themselves.
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Okay I guess that’s my cue
Slow horses mehn, what a series
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I remember addressing this tomfoolery earlier this year🤣. Now that there's an increasing bad PR for religion they want to be slick.
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This is why I’m on this app.
University debate, "Were humans built to eat meat?", same two chairs, same clock. Vegan: "Anatomically we're closer to the gorilla than the lion. Flat molars, long gut. A gentle plant-eater with delusions." Paleoanthropologist: "Then explain the acid." Vegan: "Which acid?" Paleoanthropologist: "Your stomach runs at a pH of about 1.5. A lion's sits nearer 3.6. Yours is stronger than the animal you've just been contrasted with, by a factor of about a hundred." Vegan: "Stomach acid digests food." Paleoanthropologist: "A cow's rumen sits at about 6.5. That's a compost heap with a pulse. Yours strips the zinc off a coin. Why would a gentle plant-eater carry that?" Vegan: "Protection." Paleoanthropologist: "From what? Lettuce doesn't fight back." Vegan: "Bacteria." Paleoanthropologist: "Which bacteria live in a leaf at a level that needs a pH of 1.5? Name the salad." Vegan: "..." Paleoanthropologist: "The animals that run acid as low as ours are the scavengers. Vultures. Things that arrive at a carcass on the second day and need to kill what's already living in it. We're not built like the lion. We're built like the bird that waits for the lion to finish." Vegan: "Flattering." Paleoanthropologist: "It's a picture of a species with a rock, a sharp flake and no claws. You don't get the fresh kill. You get the femur nobody could open, forty hours late, and you'd better have the acid for it." Vegan: "Acid that strong is dangerous. Look how many people are on tablets for it." Paleoanthropologist: "The only animal on earth that pays to switch its stomach off. You've spent sixty years pouring cereal onto a carcass digester and now you're medicating the digester for doing its job." Vegan: "So your argument is that we're vultures." Paleoanthropologist: "My argument is a number. Yours is a feeling about gorillas. The gorilla eats for most of the day and its gut is a fermentation tank. Yours is done in a few hours and runs on acid. One of you is designed for leaves." Moderator: "Thirty seconds." Paleoanthropologist: "She can keep them. I'm still waiting on the salad."
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