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Episode 250: Will Aave Eat Wall Street? with Luigi D'Onorio DeMeo of Aave Labs @alextapscott @luigidemeo @aave @CMCC_Global 0:00 Introduction 3:48 Leaving Avalanche and landing at Aave 7:17 From ETHLend to the largest lending protocol in crypto 11:16 $80B in deposits, no back office 12:12 How overcollateralized lending works and why people borrow 15:49 Why Celsius and BlockFi blew up and Aave didn't 18:46 What's being built on top of Aave 21:12 Life after CLARITY, and the cost of uncertainty 23:55 Does uncertainty advantage the risk-tolerant? 26:20 Why stablecoins cut at the heart of the bank model 29:29 Deposit insurance as a taxpayer subsidy 31:22 Fintech as digital wallpaper and why that's ending 33:34 Moving loans off balance sheets and onto Aave 37:23 The DTCC and the next killer app
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New @defidecodedpod is out! I sit down with past guest and industry leader @luigidemeo who is now heading up BD at @aave His ambition is to build the infrastructure for global credit markets. Can Aave eat Wall Street, and remake finance for the better? Find out! 👇
Episode 250: Will Aave Eat Wall Street? with Luigi D'Onorio DeMeo of Aave Labs @alextapscott @luigidemeo @aave @CMCC_Global 0:00 Introduction 3:48 Leaving Avalanche and landing at Aave 7:17 From ETHLend to the largest lending protocol in crypto 11:16 $80B in deposits, no back office 12:12 How overcollateralized lending works and why people borrow 15:49 Why Celsius and BlockFi blew up and Aave didn't 18:46 What's being built on top of Aave 21:12 Life after CLARITY, and the cost of uncertainty 23:55 Does uncertainty advantage the risk-tolerant? 26:20 Why stablecoins cut at the heart of the bank model 29:29 Deposit insurance as a taxpayer subsidy 31:22 Fintech as digital wallpaper and why that's ending 33:34 Moving loans off balance sheets and onto Aave 37:23 The DTCC and the next killer app
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There's always a pod (or 10) for that:
Every 20-odd years, the boundary between humans and technology gets redrawn. The first era of the internet was PC-based: static, read-only content. The second was smartphone-based: rich media and user-generated content. Now, roughly 20 years after the iPhone, the internet is entering a new era. In my book, Web3, I argued that this next era would be defined by the convergence of three technologies: 1. Blockchain and digital assets 2. AI 3. Wearables, including VR and AR Wearables—and VR in particular—have always felt like the technology of the future. And perhaps always would be. But this $META announcement feels like a watershed. All three technologies have now reached their tipping point. The next era of the internet has begun.
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We run about 41 days ahead of the government. In volatile cycles it's further — during COVID we were 70 days ahead and reading 12% while the government printed 8%. — @fiftyfly, CEO of @truflation
Episode 249: Economic TruthMaxxing with Stefan Rust of Truflation @alextapscott @fiftyfly @truflation @CMCC_Global 0:00 Introduction 3:59 "Transitory" and the case for a better number 5:37 Real-time, verifiable, and written to a blockchain 6:52 Why nobody built this sooner — and the $130 trillion tied to CPI 9:47 41 days ahead of the government (70 during COVID) 13:45 Oil, the Iran war, and where we are in the cycle 15:33 Going live on FRED, and what the Fed actually watches 18:38 Trimmed mean, $15 eggs, and the 40% nobody reports 20:27 Inflation as a hidden tax 24:18 Building macro data for an agentic market 28:57 Revisions, edits, and the frozen index 29:55 Why Bitcoin and gold traded like risk assets 33:00 The Genius Act, stablecoins, and borrowing costs 39:06 Where to learn more
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$130,000,000,000,000 is tied to the government's inflation number. The principles behind it haven't changed in a hundred years. — @fiftyfly, CEO of @truflation
Episode 249: Economic TruthMaxxing with Stefan Rust of Truflation @alextapscott @fiftyfly @truflation @CMCC_Global 0:00 Introduction 3:59 "Transitory" and the case for a better number 5:37 Real-time, verifiable, and written to a blockchain 6:52 Why nobody built this sooner — and the $130 trillion tied to CPI 9:47 41 days ahead of the government (70 during COVID) 13:45 Oil, the Iran war, and where we are in the cycle 15:33 Going live on FRED, and what the Fed actually watches 18:38 Trimmed mean, $15 eggs, and the 40% nobody reports 20:27 Inflation as a hidden tax 24:18 Building macro data for an agentic market 28:57 Revisions, edits, and the frozen index 29:55 Why Bitcoin and gold traded like risk assets 33:00 The Genius Act, stablecoins, and borrowing costs 39:06 Where to learn more
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We set out with three requirements: real time, transparent, verifiable. Blockchain was the only platform that could hold us accountable on all three. — @fiftyfly, CEO of @truflation
Episode 249: Economic TruthMaxxing with Stefan Rust of Truflation @alextapscott @fiftyfly @truflation @CMCC_Global 0:00 Introduction 3:59 "Transitory" and the case for a better number 5:37 Real-time, verifiable, and written to a blockchain 6:52 Why nobody built this sooner — and the $130 trillion tied to CPI 9:47 41 days ahead of the government (70 during COVID) 13:45 Oil, the Iran war, and where we are in the cycle 15:33 Going live on FRED, and what the Fed actually watches 18:38 Trimmed mean, $15 eggs, and the 40% nobody reports 20:27 Inflation as a hidden tax 24:18 Building macro data for an agentic market 28:57 Revisions, edits, and the frozen index 29:55 Why Bitcoin and gold traded like risk assets 33:00 The Genius Act, stablecoins, and borrowing costs 39:06 Where to learn more
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Thank you @alextapscott really enjoyed this!
Episode 249: Economic TruthMaxxing with Stefan Rust of Truflation @alextapscott @fiftyfly @truflation @CMCC_Global 0:00 Introduction 3:59 "Transitory" and the case for a better number 5:37 Real-time, verifiable, and written to a blockchain 6:52 Why nobody built this sooner — and the $130 trillion tied to CPI 9:47 41 days ahead of the government (70 during COVID) 13:45 Oil, the Iran war, and where we are in the cycle 15:33 Going live on FRED, and what the Fed actually watches 18:38 Trimmed mean, $15 eggs, and the 40% nobody reports 20:27 Inflation as a hidden tax 24:18 Building macro data for an agentic market 28:57 Revisions, edits, and the frozen index 29:55 Why Bitcoin and gold traded like risk assets 33:00 The Genius Act, stablecoins, and borrowing costs 39:06 Where to learn more
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New episode of @defidecodedpod! Real-time, transparent and verifiable inflation data. Could that give us a better picture of prices —and better signals for economic and financial decision-making? That’s the case @truflation CEO Stefan Rust makes on this week’s DeFi Decoded 👇
Episode 249: Economic TruthMaxxing with Stefan Rust of Truflation @alextapscott @fiftyfly @truflation @CMCC_Global 0:00 Introduction 3:59 "Transitory" and the case for a better number 5:37 Real-time, verifiable, and written to a blockchain 6:52 Why nobody built this sooner — and the $130 trillion tied to CPI 9:47 41 days ahead of the government (70 during COVID) 13:45 Oil, the Iran war, and where we are in the cycle 15:33 Going live on FRED, and what the Fed actually watches 18:38 Trimmed mean, $15 eggs, and the 40% nobody reports 20:27 Inflation as a hidden tax 24:18 Building macro data for an agentic market 28:57 Revisions, edits, and the frozen index 29:55 Why Bitcoin and gold traded like risk assets 33:00 The Genius Act, stablecoins, and borrowing costs 39:06 Where to learn more
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Episode 249: Economic TruthMaxxing with Stefan Rust of Truflation @alextapscott @fiftyfly @truflation @CMCC_Global 0:00 Introduction 3:59 "Transitory" and the case for a better number 5:37 Real-time, verifiable, and written to a blockchain 6:52 Why nobody built this sooner — and the $130 trillion tied to CPI 9:47 41 days ahead of the government (70 during COVID) 13:45 Oil, the Iran war, and where we are in the cycle 15:33 Going live on FRED, and what the Fed actually watches 18:38 Trimmed mean, $15 eggs, and the 40% nobody reports 20:27 Inflation as a hidden tax 24:18 Building macro data for an agentic market 28:57 Revisions, edits, and the frozen index 29:55 Why Bitcoin and gold traded like risk assets 33:00 The Genius Act, stablecoins, and borrowing costs 39:06 Where to learn more
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People think of Amazon as where you buy socks and dish soap. It's actually a platform for third-party sellers to launch their own storefronts — and that's the part the everything exchange borrows. — @alextapscott, CEO of @CMCC_Global Capital Markets
Episode 248: These Two Companies Might Dominate the Next Era of Finance with Gordon Liao of Circle and Ken Ng of Uniswap Labs @alextapscott @gordonliao @nkennethk @circle @Uniswap @CMCC_Global 0:00 Introduction 2:49 Why Circle is building Arc 7:14 Uniswap's push into RWAs and permissioned pools 15:26 Circle's $400M acquisition and stablecoins as global payment rails 17:00 The Jackson Hole paper on stablecoins and global payments 18:37 The SEC innovation exemption and bearer instruments 20:10 The everything exchange: Uniswap vs. the centralized players 23:00 Meme coins, stock pairings, and new financial primitives 24:27 What's happening in the treasury market right now 27:27 Stablecoins as the marginal sticky buyer of short-term debt 29:36 How AI agents will use crypto 35:03 Agents using Uniswap and Arc for capital formation 36:46 Where to learn more
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Fidelity deployed into Curve and Uniswap at the same time. They didn't tell us they were going to do it — they just did it, and they saw a bunch of volume. — @nkennethk, Head of Ecosystem at @Uniswap
Episode 248: These Two Companies Might Dominate the Next Era of Finance with Gordon Liao of Circle and Ken Ng of Uniswap Labs @alextapscott @gordonliao @nkennethk @circle @Uniswap @CMCC_Global 0:00 Introduction 2:49 Why Circle is building Arc 7:14 Uniswap's push into RWAs and permissioned pools 15:26 Circle's $400M acquisition and stablecoins as global payment rails 17:00 The Jackson Hole paper on stablecoins and global payments 18:37 The SEC innovation exemption and bearer instruments 20:10 The everything exchange: Uniswap vs. the centralized players 23:00 Meme coins, stock pairings, and new financial primitives 24:27 What's happening in the treasury market right now 27:27 Stablecoins as the marginal sticky buyer of short-term debt 29:36 How AI agents will use crypto 35:03 Agents using Uniswap and Arc for capital formation 36:46 Where to learn more
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We have long featured great Canadian builders on DeFi Decoded like @ericrichy @buchmanster @jelena647 @diiorioanthony @jillfriedman and many more!
The world’s biggest investors are descending on Toronto for the first-ever Canada Investment Summit. They’ll be pitched shovel-ready projects in oil and gas, mining, power generation, infrastructure and more. I hope we see some major deals announced. But I also hope our guests learn that Canadians are not only “hewers of wood and drawers of water.” We are also some of the world’s boldest innovators in AI, next-gen compute, space, blockchain and more. Invest in Canada, yes! Help us build the physical infrastructure to become a global energy and industrial powerhouse. But also help us build the digital infrastructure needed for Canada—and the world—to thrive in this new technology order. Our startups are shovel-ready. Venture capital is shovel-ready. Builders are shovel-ready. I will be at the Canadian Global Growth Forum today, hosted by @cvca making this case to global investors If you want to invest in Canada while pushing the frontier forward, consider Canada’s builder community. CC: @EvanLSolomon @FP_Champagne @buildcanada @lucyhargreaves4 @Ben_Bergen @cvca
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We built Arc around the principles for financial market infrastructure — the same standards payment companies and major financial institutions are already held to. — @gordonliao, Chief Economist and Head of Research at @circle
Episode 248: These Two Companies Might Dominate the Next Era of Finance with Gordon Liao of Circle and Ken Ng of Uniswap Labs @alextapscott @gordonliao @nkennethk @circle @Uniswap @CMCC_Global 0:00 Introduction 2:49 Why Circle is building Arc 7:14 Uniswap's push into RWAs and permissioned pools 15:26 Circle's $400M acquisition and stablecoins as global payment rails 17:00 The Jackson Hole paper on stablecoins and global payments 18:37 The SEC innovation exemption and bearer instruments 20:10 The everything exchange: Uniswap vs. the centralized players 23:00 Meme coins, stock pairings, and new financial primitives 24:27 What's happening in the treasury market right now 27:27 Stablecoins as the marginal sticky buyer of short-term debt 29:36 How AI agents will use crypto 35:03 Agents using Uniswap and Arc for capital formation 36:46 Where to learn more
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Great conversation with @alextapscott and my old friend @nkennethk on everything from tokenization, emerging market leapfrog, and the upcoming Arc launch. Check it out
New @defidecodedpod is out! Could @circle and @Uniswap dominate the next era of finance? Great discussion with two big brains on how the digitization of financial markets will upend the status quo. Thanks to @gordonliao and @nkennethk for stopping by. Check it out 👇
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Episode 248: These Two Companies Might Dominate the Next Era of Finance with Gordon Liao of Circle and Ken Ng of Uniswap Labs @alextapscott @gordonliao @nkennethk @circle @Uniswap @CMCC_Global 0:00 Introduction 2:49 Why Circle is building Arc 7:14 Uniswap's push into RWAs and permissioned pools 15:26 Circle's $400M acquisition and stablecoins as global payment rails 17:00 The Jackson Hole paper on stablecoins and global payments 18:37 The SEC innovation exemption and bearer instruments 20:10 The everything exchange: Uniswap vs. the centralized players 23:00 Meme coins, stock pairings, and new financial primitives 24:27 What's happening in the treasury market right now 27:27 Stablecoins as the marginal sticky buyer of short-term debt 29:36 How AI agents will use crypto 35:03 Agents using Uniswap and Arc for capital formation 36:46 Where to learn more
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This aged well 🔽
In 2023, I argued in the @nypost that AI's biggest problem was lack of transparency. Decisions about governance and safety were being made by small groups behind closed doors. After 3 years, that is starting to change. Good. AI transparency is long overdue!
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Coinbase is the instructive case: hold Bitcoin, borrow against it from onchain funding markets; hold stablecoins, lend them out through vaults. Robinhood is the next chapter. — @adcv_, Co-Founder of @SteakhouseFi
Episode 247: “It’s in the Vault” — Breaking Down Crypto’s Hot New Thing with Adrian Cachinero Vasiljevic of Steakhouse Financial @alextapscott @adcv_ @SteakhouseFi @CMCC_Global 0:00 Introduction 2:59 What actually is a vault? 6:09 Why most vault capital sits in lending markets 7:56 Real-time NAV and the efficiency edge over funds 9:15 Are vaults the next evolution of the ETF? 10:56 The "physics of DeFi" and composable exposures 15:09 Who actually custodies the assets and what a curator can't do 17:29 Inside the Robinhood Earn and Coinbase deals 19:39 Tokenized real-world assets and the regulatory landscape 24:06 The odds on the CLARITY Act and curation as index-building 26:03 Index vs. active: where the real risk lives 29:24 What happens when things go wrong: first-loss and junior tranches 31:26 Reimagining finance from first principles 32:21 Hacks, total loss, and DeFi's real loss-given-default 34:41 Where to learn more
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