It’s time to admit that Remote Work doesn’t work. WFH Friday is a 4 day work week. Full WFH is a 2 day work week. Every interaction has to be scheduled, which means a lot of information-sharing doesn’t happen. Remote is a great lifestyle, not a way to build a great company.
A memo I sent to the team last month about changing my mind on remote, and moving the team to SF: flocrivello.com/changing-my-…
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Details: — In the earliest days of a startup, it’s possible for a small team to remain continuously connected electronically. This create false confidence in remote. It doesn’t scale. By the time the startup has hundreds of employees, full remote completely breaks down. — There are a few counter-examples that are always cited; the fact that it’s always the same one (eg GitLab) should tell you something. This is not a mass-market solution for effective company-building. — Maybe 10% of the roles in a company can naturally be remote. These are (1) 10x engineers whose code check-ins are obvious and (2) field sales reps who live in their territories and close large enterprise deals (the $ value of which are also obvious). In these cases, the onus is still on the employee to spend enough time at HQ (at least once/quarter) to stay acculturated. — What makes these remote cases justified is that achievement is largely individual and fairly obvious. By contrast, the contribution of most employees is often subtle to measure and depends on a team dynamic. Hence the importance of being together in an actively managed environment. — Full remote companies are dominated by a feeling of atomization. Their founders will often complain that it’s hard to get the company culture to gell, or to get all the employees aligned around the new strategy, or to adequately share information even though it’s already been shared many times before. These problems largely go away when you’re collocated — or at least require much less energy to solve. — The value of “managing by walking around” cannot be underestimated for a founder. Founders solve problems, make course corrections, and save the team a lot of work going down a wrong path. Founders also have a different level of energy, enthusiasm and work ethic. As the company scales, the number of employees who can be touched by founder enthusiasm has a direct impact on performance. — Most startups seeking to correct from a Remote strategy will want to move to Hubs. Hubs concede that it’s not possible for everyone to be in one location but try to limit the number of locations. An effective Hub will at least collocate everyone on the same team or function. Eg, a call center in Salt Lake. An engineering team in Eastern Europe. A sales office in London. These are all viable strategies. — A Hub is only as good as its leadership. A headless Hub will not work. Moreover, mid-level managers need to sit with their teams. A manager who is remote while their team is at a Hub is worthless. Ambitious executives will prioritize moving over WFH. — Headcount reductions provide an opportunity for startups to reorganize around Hubs. Take this opportunity to create a strong HQ with a very limited number of Hubs. Ideally all of the most strategic functions in the company are still at a central HQ, with Hubs used for supporting functions. — Now that you know the truth, act on it. Founders have far more agency to change any aspect of their company than they often believe. Current macroeconomic conditions mean that there will never be a better time to make these changes for the future of your company. If you act, the benefits will compound over time.

May 31, 2023 · 6:30 PM UTC

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People get very emotional about this topic. I get it. If someone told you that you have to work an extra day or two a week, of course you’re not going to be happy about it. My message is for founders who are already working constantly and want to maximize their chance of success.
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The main reason Big Tech companies like Meta and Amazon are reigning in WFH right now is productivity. That’s not the reason I think startups should do it. Startups are not primarily concerned with productivity; their main concern is whether they succeed or fail at all. If everything is working at your startup, then I guess it doesn’t matter much if everyone works from home. But if things aren’t working, it’s much harder to diagnose and fix problems when everyone is in a different location. What I’m seeing right now is that many growth-stage startups are experiencing significant slowdowns for the first time and they are questioning their product-market fit and go-to-market fit. It would be much easier to figure out these questions and realign the company behind a new strategy if everyone was centralized at a HQ or at least in a few Hubs. Since many of these companies are taking cost-cutting measures anyway, now is a rare and ideal time to rethink their location strategy.
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Replying to @DavidSacks
The All-in folks should have me and @jasonfried / @dhh come in to represent a counterpoint. Would be a fun discussion.
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Replying to @DavidSacks
I agree with much of what you said but WFH is here to stay WFH creates a true global talent pool. There will also have to be a premium paid for in office. It is very debatable whether productivity is lower WFH. Even if it is the company wins via less CRE costs
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At what scale do you think this breaks down? I love time spent together in-person, but I am 10x more effective WFH vs office due to the lack of distractions. I can work until 3am and it’s fine. My cofounder & I are best friends, communicate daily and have nailed the company culture (seriously, I’m proud). Our team is extraordinarily productive. We mostly have to make sure people don’t burn out. No one needs to be checked-in on. But we’re only 6 people rn and everyone is an engineer. I can imagine this breaking down with a 100+ person team, but where does it break? 10 people? 20? 50? We’re pragmatists, not remote maximalists. Very curious!
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Replying to @DavidSacks
My employer got more from me during lockdowns: •I was less tired at days end because I did not lose 2 hours/day in the commute •Communication with the team was not hampered (cell, email, webex, ICE chat) •fewer frivolous meetings meant more productivity •I saved $425/mo WFH •all this made me happier, grateful, and so I put in longer hours ▪︎ FT office, people chat in the kitchen or in each other's offices so probably more non-work activities in the office. At home I was away from my pc maybe just a couple times a day to throw laundry loads in or take garbage out.
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Replying to @DavidSacks
Amen. I regret almost every moment I either worked remote or allowed it. Big mistake for all involved.
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Replying to @DavidSacks
Exquisitely articulated. Bookmarking.
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This is a parody right? I got to the line about 10x engineers and realized I was wasting my time with what I thought was a serious tweet
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I only support startups that print money
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I like hubs! Been doing that to a degree at my marketing agency. Also, co-founders being co-located is valuable. I also think company size matters in this equation. I plan to keep my next venture on the small side team wise, and I think with all the productivity gains, it’s going to be rare to need 1,000+ headcount
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"By the time the startup has hundreds of employees, full remote completely breaks down." I was able to remotely work in a company of 10,000+ employees and manage several internationally-based teams on critically successful, multi-billion dollar projects.
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Replying to @DavidSacks
I am nearing 50 and still waiting for these dinosaurs to go extinct. You have said many words, yet provided only one reason: “For some managers in some cases communication is harder.” This does not justify the cost in relocation, commute, living expenses, office space, reduction in diversity, etc. If company wants to impose them, it should pay them, including the 2 hours commute to office and from office, leaving me 4 hours to work at office. Productivity went up 250% since 1970s, yet real wages kept level with inflation. Maybe you are only really paying for 2 days of work? Even so, if you hired people who slack WFH, trust me the same people slacked at the office, only now they cannot walk around and distract those who actually work. Hire better, with larger unrestricted pool of people you can. In my entire career I have not worked on a single team that was perfectly collocated and you anyway have to adjust for workers in other locations so with your in person communication and promotions you are yet again discriminating against them? For your own comfort? At present literally none of my directs are in the same country, none of my peers are in the same state, my manager is on the other side of the continent. We cannot even get into the same timezone. Most large corporations had to solve those problems over a decade ago and that is why WFH never posed a real challenge. Just grow up and learn to communicate well.
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Replying to @DavidSacks
Remote Work doesn't work if you expect hiring, collaboration, and management to remain unchanged. Remote Work *works* when you pivot. * Instead of hiring the best you can find in a market, you hire the best talent worldwide. * Do away with the concept of the workday being defined by the clock-in and clock-out. Time-in-seat and walking around don't work digitally, the expectation is impact and results, regardless of the time it takes. * Don't fall into the trap of a full calendar of scheduled ineffective meetings. You keep calendars free and enable immediate, on-demand meetings as the norm. * Take the money you would have spent on a large office and spend it on meetup opportunities. Remote work doesn't mean that you never meet in person, but give it a purpose and commit funds to make it happen.
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Replying to @DavidSacks
I agree. The hallmark of great execution in start-ups are 1) The ability to do incredibly quick learning loops 2) Emotionally engaged employees who break through walls to do the really hard things Impossible to do that remote.
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Replying to @DavidSacks
I think these are all valid points, but I also think there are ways of working around many of the issues raised. For example on information sharing: if a company is sharing information face to face and relying on that, I’d suggest there are far better ways of doing that. The benefits from remote are very enticing: such as no geographic limit on recruiting, no wasted time commuting, better quality of life for employees. For those having issues with this model, have they truly implemented technology to support remote work as well as they should have? Face to face interaction is always going to be the best, but the question is is it worth it?
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Replying to @DavidSacks
Translation: Me and all my billionaire tech dorks are leveraged to our eyeballs, in someway, in commercial real estate.
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The desperate last gasps from the know-nothing do-nothing upper management department who is always anxious about other people working because they don't actually understand what's happening and want to feel important. AI will replace you the easiest.
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Replying to @DavidSacks
Could not agree more - what you've articulated is akin to the agile manifesto for sw development, check out hybridmanifesto.org - we'd love to add you as a backer
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How much commercial real estate do you own?
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It’s impossible to have an honest conversation about remote work these days. Those who work remotely will never admit that productivity at home is nowhere near what it is in the office (especially when you are coworking with your team).
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Replying to @DavidSacks
“full remote completely breaks down.” Well of course it does. Fully remote was created by Covid 19, and then facilitated and perpetuated by overpaid introverts.
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Replying to @DavidSacks
You may be right. BUT the problem is now this - with inflation/cost of living - workers cannot afford to go back to old model without significant increases in remuneration to cover for the lost time/childcare/commute cost/hassle.
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Replying to @DavidSacks
All so true. One point I would add to that is what is lost w/out in person conversations. The same thing spoken that comes across well, can be interpreted negatively in email or text. In person better than phone/Zoom. Trust & reliance build better in person.
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You can’t paint with a broad brush. I haven’t worked from an office in 20 years and perhaps since I am in sales I know I can’t do as you are implying . My wife now avoids a 1.25 hour commute with WFH and she puts 110% of that back into her output.
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Replying to @DavidSacks
I was very productive when I worked remotely. I managed to paint two of my bedrooms and stain my deck.
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There are other examples that managed to scale with mostly remote such as 37signals and Wordpress yet it’s not the norm. A mix of office and flexible working setup should be good given a framework that governs operational quality imo
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I think technology will eventually bridge the gap, making a very remote but intimate experience
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Replying to @DavidSacks
Sacks and his friends losing billions on SF real estate...so he figured he might as well publish an article and give his unsolicited two cents on WFH. The genie is out of the bottle sacks...instead let's talk about how you can recoup some of your losses.
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Replying to @DavidSacks
Very sensible post. One addition to hubs: Engineering teams can also be split according to function. But the rest of above comments still apply. In addition, communication between hubs is extremely important as well as personal interaction - if even on a quarterly/semi-annually basis.
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Replying to @DavidSacks
I would go to an office anywhere except SF. I would quit before being asked to live in/near that city. Ideally out of California entirely, but at the very least no SF. I wonder how many others feel the same..
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Replying to @DavidSacks
I would love to see some data on "founder walking around increases productivity" but of course there is none
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It is like playing the startup game in hard mode. Very easy to doing it poorly, but those who manage to pull it off become great startups/companies. E.g @supabase @posthog
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If your company provides non-essential services & cannot evolve into working remotely efficiently, then you need to invest in better training for your managers. Studies show motivated remote staff are less stressed, more consistent, take less sick days & are 47% more productive.
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