What can us, engineers else learn from designers and design engineers? Turns out there’s lots, based on talking with one of the best design engineers in the industry, @Mappletons. Timestamps: 00:00 Intro 03:24 From anthropology to tech 10:18 What does a designer do? 18:23 How Maggie works 24:55 The case for planning with physical tools 31:53 Why Maggie is learning woodworking 33:13 Design engineers and engineering constraints 38:49 How Maggie uses Figma 40:30 Design at GitHub Next 45:12 How has AI changed design 50:37 When models design and why humans are still needed 53:30 UX and UI 58:29 Capability gaslighting 1:00:33 One Developer, Two Dozen Agents, Zero Alignment 1:07:21 Craft and AI tells 1:14:17 Visual gardens, home-cooked software, and barefoot developers 1:21:02 Advice for engineers and lessons from anthropology 1:25:34 Book recommendation Brought to you by: • @turbopuffer – a vector and full-text search engine built on object storage. It’s fast, cheap, and extremely scalable. turbopuffer.com/pragmatic • @AntithesisHQ – verify your system’s correctness without human review or traditional integration tests – and avoid bugs or outages. antithesis.com/pragmatic • @EntireHQ – every agent prompt, tool call, stored in your repo, and mirrored. Set up with one click: entire.io/pragmatic Hope you enjoy this unusually visual episode - thanks again, Maggie!