Asst Professor, Georgetown • Director, CFR China Strategy Initiative • Biden NSC '21-24 • Wrote The Long Game: China's Grand Strategy to Displace American Order

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I've watched @amanpour on TV for decades. So I was grateful for the opportunity to sit down with her for 15 minutes. Our interview aired on @CNN this weekend. We talked China policy, Trump's approach, and why this decade is the decisive decade in the competition.
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In @jonczin’s defense, we hardly know exactly why Zhang was purged and there are good reasons not to take Xi at face value. It’s not as if Leninist regimes are typically honest about the rationale for purges. And it’s not as if all those who take bribes are purged.
XI JINPING: I fired a guy for taking bribes THE ATLANTIC: it's a complete mystery why Xi fired this guy. We'll probably never know. Anyway it makes me think of a TV show I saw once
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When Xi Jinping's father Zhongxun visited DC, he said that the world would be peaceful if America and China could work together, and face turmoil if not, but he was apparently bored when a tour guide talked about Jeffersonian principles (from Party's Interests Come First)
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Glad we have provoked a very substantive debate on the important question of students in China. I have a slightly different view here. My belief is the risks to students are of course real. The MSS also takes independent action on these matters, sometimes without central direction. That increases risks further. All of this is why we did not renew some of these programs after Trump. But I have long believed that the best way to de-risk programs is to have leader-level commitments that certain named programs should be insulated from pressures. In that system, leader authority goes a long way, and action against a program Xi has backed at a summit risks embarrassing him. It is not foolproof, but it is more meaningful than an MFA-level agreement. From that perspective, are government programs an asset or a liability? I would suggest an asset, as they are the most likely programs to be added to a deliverable list and the easiest to connect to bilateral relations. So Fulbright, CLS, Boren should could go forward. Students on them should be trained on navigate the risks they will encounter. Yes, there may be some issues with the "letter" of PRC law. But what matters more is whether a leader-level political commitment that supersedes it. Of course, others will have different positions on that path forward, so again, glad to trigger some debate here.
It can matter a great deal. The security clearance process has problem with time in the PRC. And for good reason. Most Americans would be shocked by what draws MSS attention or who will interest them. I don't think shaping is the most important issue. My biggest concern is that a govt-sponsored student, e.g. Fulbright or Boren, is practically breaking PRC state security laws and regulations almost by definition. This is a basic safety issue. There are lots of way to promote Americans spending time in the PRC and having first-hand experience while balancing the concerns. We just don't do them.
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Good points here from Peter, too:
1. The US has a lot of different needs. Professors in China studies probably low on priority list compared to govt and business. Easy to prepare people so that they can have both China time and careers that require some security sensitivity; we just don't do it on anything other than an individual ad hoc basis. 2. China studies has been losing the foundational layer of language students since 2013. That's the bigger problem for what you're describing. 2a. The ending of China Fulbright, for example, had to do with some specific concerns at the time. It's not coincidental that a lot of long-time China hands left around a similar, because there were pretty legitimate concerns about a list of Americans for when Beijing wanted a US version of the "Two Michaels". 3. The issues are far bigger and more personally or individually consequential than censorship or even opaque enforcement, e.g. the weaponization of perfectly normal friendships. 4. There are lots of ways to properly prepare people appropriately, especially on govt scholarship or with service requirements. We don't do them. This is stupid. 5. The US Govt has no thought through the potential responses it should have for protecting students/researchers if things go badly. Maybe it should do this before encouraging a lot more students. 6. Any other reading of what I have written than "Be smart. Be prepared. Go there. Interact. Get outside the bubble. Learn." is pretty much cherry picking. My problem is that people want to skip the "Be smart. Be prepared." parts and pretend like we don't have to consider them for an important part of the talent pipeline we need.
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Interesting to hear this point from @AngelicaOung. I think it is right.
.@AngelicaOung: “A unilateral announcement of non-defense would put Taiwan in a bad bargaining position vis a vis the mainland. Even those who would wish to see…‘one country two systems’…would not wish for Taiwan to go to the bargaining table so naked.” taipology.substack.com/p/ret…
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Indeed, it seems that the negotiations are not done. Perhaps learning from May? Back then, the U.S. side released deliverables that the Chinese side had not confirmed, which was awkward.
We will just have to wait. Does this mean the trade negotiations will continue into the weekend?
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@RushDoshi is 100% right. We need to protect US students + safeguard research security on our side + release those wrongly held. But that can be done. Walling ourselves off from China + condemning every PRC exchange initiative on its face ignores the American route to advantage:
I’m usually not attacked for being naive on China. But I believe strongly in sending students, with appropriate protections, to China. I was one of these students. I cannot see why our piece should be controversial, but realize there are some who believe all exchanges should be halted. I am not among them. Here is our argument: -Longstanding federal programs that encourage US students to learn about China — like Fulbright, CLS, and Boren — should be funded by the US government. We had similar exchanges with the Soviets, and of course with China, in the past. - Given growing risks to students in China, those participating in these programs must be protected from harassment or threats of arbitrary detention, which are growing, and which are why these programs were difficult to renew in the past. - But there is a way out. Summits provide an opportunity to achieve commitments that protect these programs and their students. Trump should (1) elevate these programs into leader-level deliverables, and (2) reach formal (or, more likely, informal) agreements to insulate them from politics. The former sends a signal not to touch these programs and the latter sustains it. - As part of this effort, Min Zin and other scholars and students arbitrarily detained or exit banned by China must be released. - We did not write this in the piece, but obviously these efforts should be accompanied by proper orientation and training for students before they visit China. That was also the case for these programs in the past. It is more criticism now. We have done all this before. It has worked before too. Leader-level recognition of certain programs in China can provide protection. The US desperately needs China expertise. After a surge among millennials, what expertise we did have faces a cliff as students lose interest in and opportunities for studying China and Chinese. That is a problem.
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wwnorton.com/books/Hawks-Dov… Once upon a time Graham, Nye and Carnesale were owls.
Jackie is a colleague so this was all in the spirit of good faith debate. One clarification: I am not a China hawk. Maybe an owl? The hawks attacked what we did in the last admin, and the doves did too, so there must be some space in the middle a a good number of us inhabit.
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Jackie is a colleague so this was all in the spirit of good faith debate. One clarification: I am not a China hawk. Maybe an owl? The hawks attacked what we did in the last admin, and the doves did too, so there must be some space in the middle a a good number of us inhabit.
It’s a bit sad that the China hawks are picking each other’s eyes out. The problem with the singular stand “China needs to be stopped” is that everything else moves to the backseat and every hawk needs to be seen as the most aggressive one. Very unproductive strategic style.
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Love Qing metaphors and, admittedly, this is honestly pretty clever.
We got Rush Doshi role playing as Yung Wing pleading with conservative Qing officials not to terminate the Burlingame education mission... and the Qing officials are treating him like he's Jessica Weiss. Incredible.
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There are some who say the US should avoid the term. They miss that Beijing started using it in 2023.
Xi's talking points in Washington are almost identical to his “new type of major-country relations” in 2013 -- with one important exception: he now embraces competition. “We do not need to avoid mentioning competition, but our competition should be a healthy one and should be kept within bounds.” english.www.gov.cn/news/2026…
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This is obviously false, as I am one of the people advocating for sending students to China — with key protections in place, of course. Better to attack the argument than to suggest all who make it are somehow ingratiating themselves with a foreign government.
Please note: the people advocating for sending students to China are the same people who would be welcomed in China. There is a reason for that. Think it through
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Appreciate the perspective! A few responses. First, along with others, I favored not immediately restarting some of these programs in 2021 because of credible risks to students. I think I know these risks better than most! Second, I believed then — and I believe now — that leader-level assurances can make a key difference on addressing those risks. Third, I do not agree that the risk is vastly greater than in the past, particularly if leaders can work out political protections for specific programs. Fourth, yes, there are speech-related concerns. These also existed in the past. They also exist in other countries. We do not cancel programs with those countries because they are not liberal democracies. In general, it makes little sense to say something we did with the Soviets is impossible today. And to suggest these arguments are driven by nostalgia, not a genuine belief on the best way to build expertise, is inaccurate, too. Yes we had China expertise in the 1950s when the country was closed. We should not be eager to get back there.
My two cents: 1. Understanding China is undeniably important, but taking on heightened risks of arbitrary detention makes little sense today. 2. Even if Washington could negotiate protections against outright detention, could it ever secure an exemption for students who speak their minds? Academic exchange requires reciprocity; without free expression, it devolves into one-way political indoctrination. 3. If the priority is learning and engaging with the Chinese-speaking world, free and open societies like Taiwan or Singapore offer far better, safer environments. Sentimentality about past exchanges is natural, but as the idiom warns, carving a notch on the hull after the sword has fallen into the river is futile. Worse still, reaching into dark waters today is far more likely to yield a snakebite than a recovered blade.
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Strongly agree with this piece by @RushDoshi and Rosie Levine. For me, language study in China (supported by Gilman and Fulbright-Hays funding) and graduate education at @HopkinsNanjing was transformative. What happens when those opportunities are gone? cfr.org/articles/america-is-…
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I was a huge beneficiary of these programs! (National Security Initiative for Youth "NSLI-Y" after high school, and CLS and Chinese Language Flagship in college)
I’m usually not attacked for being naive on China. But I believe strongly in sending students, with appropriate protections, to China. I was one of these students. I cannot see why our piece should be controversial, but realize there are some who believe all exchanges should be halted. I am not among them. Here is our argument: -Longstanding federal programs that encourage US students to learn about China — like Fulbright, CLS, and Boren — should be funded by the US government. We had similar exchanges with the Soviets, and of course with China, in the past. - Given growing risks to students in China, those participating in these programs must be protected from harassment or threats of arbitrary detention, which are growing, and which are why these programs were difficult to renew in the past. - But there is a way out. Summits provide an opportunity to achieve commitments that protect these programs and their students. Trump should (1) elevate these programs into leader-level deliverables, and (2) reach formal (or, more likely, informal) agreements to insulate them from politics. The former sends a signal not to touch these programs and the latter sustains it. - As part of this effort, Min Zin and other scholars and students arbitrarily detained or exit banned by China must be released. - We did not write this in the piece, but obviously these efforts should be accompanied by proper orientation and training for students before they visit China. That was also the case for these programs in the past. It is more criticism now. We have done all this before. It has worked before too. Leader-level recognition of certain programs in China can provide protection. The US desperately needs China expertise. After a surge among millennials, what expertise we did have faces a cliff as students lose interest in and opportunities for studying China and Chinese. That is a problem.
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I’m usually not attacked for being naive on China. But I believe strongly in sending students, with appropriate protections, to China. I was one of these students. I cannot see why our piece should be controversial, but realize there are some who believe all exchanges should be halted. I am not among them. Here is our argument: -Longstanding federal programs that encourage US students to learn about China — like Fulbright, CLS, and Boren — should be funded by the US government. We had similar exchanges with the Soviets, and of course with China, in the past. - Given growing risks to students in China, those participating in these programs must be protected from harassment or threats of arbitrary detention, which are growing, and which are why these programs were difficult to renew in the past. - But there is a way out. Summits provide an opportunity to achieve commitments that protect these programs and their students. Trump should (1) elevate these programs into leader-level deliverables, and (2) reach formal (or, more likely, informal) agreements to insulate them from politics. The former sends a signal not to touch these programs and the latter sustains it. - As part of this effort, Min Zin and other scholars and students arbitrarily detained or exit banned by China must be released. - We did not write this in the piece, but obviously these efforts should be accompanied by proper orientation and training for students before they visit China. That was also the case for these programs in the past. It is more criticism now. We have done all this before. It has worked before too. Leader-level recognition of certain programs in China can provide protection. The US desperately needs China expertise. After a surge among millennials, what expertise we did have faces a cliff as students lose interest in and opportunities for studying China and Chinese. That is a problem.
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Grateful to have a few thoughts included in Derek’s newsletter on China/AI alongside many folks whose insights on this subject I find invaluable.
New newsletter: WHY WE'RE WRONG ABOUT CHINA AND AI America's frontier AI policy seems to hinge on China. But when you talk to people at or near the frontier, it's astonishing how little we seem to know about how China thinks about AI. So, I talked to several experts—@jordanschneider, @kyleichan, @mattsheehan88, @RushDoshi, @ChorzempaMartin, @pstAsiatech and more—and pooled their most interesting comments under 7 big questions, inc: - What don't the frontier labs understand about China? - What would actually scare the CCP into taking AI safety as seriously as, say, Anthropic? - Does China think our AI safety concerns are legitimate, or a conspiracy to keep them down? - What should we actually do now? derekthompson.org/p/how-chin…
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I’m usually not attacked for being naive on China. But I believe strongly in sending students, with appropriate protections, to China. I was one of these students. I cannot see why our piece should be controversial, but realize there are some who believe all exchanges should be halted. I am not among them. Here is our argument: -Longstanding federal programs that encourage US students to learn about China — like Fulbright, CLS, and Boren — should be funded by the US government. We had similar exchanges with the Soviets, and of course with China, in the past. - Given growing risks to students in China, those participating in these programs must be protected from harassment or threats of arbitrary detention, which are growing, and which are why these programs were difficult to renew in the past. - But there is a way out. Summits provide an opportunity to achieve commitments that protect these programs and their students. Trump should (1) elevate these programs into leader-level deliverables, and (2) reach formal (or, more likely, informal) agreements to insulate them from politics. The former sends a signal not to touch these programs and the latter sustains it. - As part of this effort, Min Zin and other scholars and students arbitrarily detained or exit banned by China must be released. - We did not write this in the piece, but obviously these efforts should be accompanied by proper orientation and training for students before they visit China. That was also the case for these programs in the past. It is more criticism now. We have done all this before. It has worked before too. Leader-level recognition of certain programs in China can provide protection. The US desperately needs China expertise. After a surge among millennials, what expertise we did have faces a cliff as students lose interest in and opportunities for studying China and Chinese. That is a problem.
This new @CFR_org "Expert Take" on student exchanges with China is so flawed I had to read it twice to find something nice to say. Here goes: At least the authors acknowledge that American students who travel to China need protection, and that the CCP should immediately release detained academics such as Min Zin and Youlin Chen. Small mercies. Beyond these pro forma nods to reality, the piece's omission of China-side context speaks volumes: --The authors effectively support the CCP's "50,000 in 5 years" drive to recruit US students without once mentioning it. Announced by Xi Jinping in 2023, this initiative has reportedly already reached its target but continues because its architects believe it provides such upside to the CCP. --Similarly, in 1,100-plus words, the authors manage not a single mention of the united front apparatus, which plays a critical role fronting for Chinese intelligence and conducting political warfare on the PRC side of educational exchanges. They do not mention the CCP emphasis on leveraging foreign students to advance propaganda and economic goals, including attracting other countries' capital and technology while encouraging their governments' complacency. --Finally, they find no occasion to mention the CCP's surveillance and transnational repression of Chinese students inside the United States, a growing threat not only to these students but also to US sovereignty. In fairness, the authors have to leave out these inconvenient details so they can advance their completely backward proposal. At a time when the CCP is energetically recruiting (or luring) American students in order to strengthen its position vis-a-vis the United States, the authors do NOT suggest cutting off these flows. Rather, they argue that President Trump should negotiate with General Secretary Xi to secure "implicit assurances" not to detain or surveil US students in China so that we can send even more students. As if today's CCP intelligence state, which is all too active even on US soil, might be willing to "insulate from competitive dynamics" programs on their own soil that allow them to surveil and shape some of the Americans they're most interested in surveilling and shaping. This is as shrewd as telling the car salesman that there's no other car for you than the one you test drove, the only thing it's missing is an extended warranty, and you feel like you've known him forever. Just astonishingly counter-strategic from a US perspective - but helpful to the CCP. Sadly, it's typical of the arguments that have gotten the United States to the place where we find ourselves, having ceded so many of our advantages to the CCP through compliant engagement over decades. In this case, compliant engagement includes hand-waving about "understanding" (citing the example of a scholar who visited, and left, China before the CCP took over as evidence for the need to be on the ground in 2026) and regurgitating CCP slogans such as "people-to-people diplomacy." All while avoiding the aforementioned grubby and impolite - but stubborn! - facts essential to even a basic understanding of the situation. It's not as if the authors don't know any better. One of them moderated a CFR event last year where the speaker said: "And then there’s research in China by Americans. It’s very difficult. First of all, we only have 900 American students in the whole country right now. Being a student in China is not easy. Being a scholar trying to do research, the kind I’ve had to do, I’ve been a resident fellow in six different Chinese Academy of Social Sciences institutes in my career—six, more than any other foreigner I’m aware of. Well, that’s not possible today. You can’t go be a resident fellow in the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences, or any other place. And much less do interviews, archival research, libraries, field work. Just basic scholarly research. Can’t do it. That’s what I mean. Xi Jinping has securitized scholarship, amongst other things..." The other co-author - unsurprisingly - runs a non-profit that has for many years worked directly with CCP united front bodies, and lists a united front official as an advisor on its website. So... I will stand by for the inevitable exasperated sighs and ad feminam insults that seem to substitute for intelligent debate on this subject by defenders of the status quo. Cheers!
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I cannot recall a Sino-American head of state summit that felt less substantive and more ritualistic…
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.@RushDoshi: The current ‘détente but not quite a détente’ suits Beijing just fine. Beijing will largely want to maintain the status quo, extending what it sees as Trump’s de-escalatory approach through his term cfr.org/articles/when-xi-com…
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