continually learning. formerly taught models to design @figma, to see @nuro

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Sharing my first of hopefully many research blog posts! jasperlu.com/blog/training-s… This one is the kind of educational blog post I wish I'd had when I started with RL for LLMs. I tried to make it as open as possible. Every rollout is browsable, the code is open source, and I walk through my entire thought process, from learning rate sweeps to reward shaping.
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I wonder if we're going to see an explosion in IRL RL envs in the near future, where models train on robotics harnesses connected to the real world and someone has to physically reset things in between rollouts
Are robots ready to accelerate science labs? We created the WetLabs Benchmark to test 9 critical tasks, from easy to hard, and let 3 leading models take 20 attempts per task Astra leads but it comes close...
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If you founded a company between 2024 and 2026 and you haven't yet pivoted to selling data, why? What do you know that nobody else does?
If you founded a company between 2018 and 2024 and you haven't yet pivoted to sandboxes, why? What do you know that nobody else does?
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update: with jev, this is cheap enough now
Much of why agentic map/filter/reduce workflows aren't more popular right now is because of cost. But it feels like the only natural future for some spaces, such as hard search (e.g. find all customer traces matching condition xyz), as cost of useful intelligence drops or when results are valuable enough
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the best personal agent in august vs the best personal agent of today
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This latest work from Base Labs looks into whether off-policy distillation (through SFT) from a smarter teacher actually improves post-RL performance, and by how much. Some highlights: - Distillation helps small models a lot more than larger ones. They even find that for 8B models, RL alone beats SFT + RL on their tasks. - Distillation helps more in tasks that require conventions or understanding not already in the base model. - SFT reduces model entropy. For a base model that is already a good RL target to begin with, this is bad because it reduces exploration. So when is it worth doing pre-RL SFT? In my view: - If the base model does a really poor job on the target domain to begin with. This can be because of poor harness use, bad syntax, missing knowledge, etc. - If there's some taste or judgement calls you want your model to pick up from a teacher.
Distillation is a common way to prepare a model for RL where learning occurs from a stronger model, and then improves through trial and error. But how much does that better starting point help after RL? We conduct preliminary research on this question across model sizes and reasoning tasks. 🧵
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Working on something fun
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when demos for a new model capability suddenly flood my tl, my first thought is that some team out there probably spent months building rl envs for it and is now asking their friends to pump it
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Jasper Lu retweeted
i guess kalshi saw this and thought they should steal my video, turn me into a white dude, and run it as an ad
JUST IN: Stanford University is accused of using AI to change students’ race & gender while making others appear thinner in advertising, with one student saying he felt “silenced & erased.”
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a lot of people would stop talking about emergent phenomena if they actually looked at the data
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If you contrast the pace of open and frontier model improvement with various enterprise post-training efforts, you can see an interesting deflationary effect. Prices keep falling, and models keep getting smarter. Most orgs that invested in post-training early would have been better off just...not doing anything. For most domains, the capability jump between model generations far exceeds what internal post-training can produce.
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continual learning and studying benchmarks are similarly frustrating to design
Using open benchmarks has gotten very frustrating because it's very hard to disentangle what the model already knows / is actually bottlenecked by. E.g. when testing RLMs on "new" long benchmarks, some models will just magically regex for the right offloaded information and grab the solution... This is roughly how I've interpreted the HarnessTax paper as well, where performance seems to basically be a function of only the model capability and not the harness, but in practice we observe very different behavior / preferences with different harnesses. Model capability dominates on open benchmarks specifically. Not really sure what this implies because newer benchmarks constantly get swallowed, but I hope someone comes up with a better way to benchmark models in the open because it's largely uninteresting atm. And no, the solution isn't a benchmark that tests how far models get in a 2-day task. There's definitely a better way to host and/or manage benchmarks to actually gauge capabilities, at least for longer than a year.
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Between this and nitter.net/Lon/status/21010349332… I'm glad that with ai, any disgruntled consumer can now point their own private investigator at a company and mine for shady business practices
cope. seethe. rage Welcome to the finale I partnered with the Wall Street Journal to release this article Probably the single worst hit piece ever written about @Kalshi Guess people will think twice before insulting me in public again wsj.com/finance/currencies/5…
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Is the current strategy for rsi just "make a bunch of rl envs around diagnosing model failures and curating data, and giving the model access to a bunch of gpus"? Feels expensive
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With every release, model families are diverging more and more in personality and how they collaborate. I felt this pretty immediately when trying out Opus 5.5 today after a couple of weeks on Astra. Personally, I prefer Opus's collaboration style. It proactively makes visualizations for me when I'm trying to understand something, and pushes back when I ask for something dumb. Otoh, it feels like Astra wants to own the whole process. It works best when I hand over control of my entire workflow and don't care to understand it myself. All that's to say: I think we're at the point (and have been for some time) where more intelligence doesn't meaningfully impact most people's use cases. I predict people will increasingly gravitate towards the model families that they vibe best with, the same way people click with some coworkers and not others.
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Jasper Lu retweeted
Reinforcement learning is having a moment. For the past few months, we’ve been working with @tryterac to put together something special: Convergence — an event for the people building the future of RL. Speakers from @GoogleDeepMind, @databricks, @mercor, @arena, @joinHandshake, @turingcom, @deeptuneai, @contra, @Stanford, @Princeton, @UCBerkeley, and more. Our goal: make this THE event for the RL community. Oct 29 in SF. Come join us → terac.com/events/convergence…
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legitimately the worst part about doing independent research instead of working at a big co. I have 50k of aws credits and no gpus to use them on
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xiaomi mimo v2.6 release thread - 2 continuing with RL training 1. having staleness of 4 in total 30 steps is wild to me. this means they allow policy drift upto 4 weight updates when they are training on a huge heterogeneous batch. they do not care about being remotely on-policy at all. they are completely throughput-maxxing here.
incredible release - xiaomi mimo v2.6. let us do a deep dive thread for RL as that is the hero of this release. 1. first of all, the primary idea in the paper is they explicitly scale three things - batch size and throughput, environment diversity and grader compute. they discuss their large batch size choice. they primarily bat for it from the angle of throughout and ease of scaling GPUs here but I would have loved to see some discussion on large batch and how it helps with training various types of envs together, if it helps or hinders when tasks can get orthogonal.
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Jasper Lu retweeted
for a startup founder right now the paradox is that this may be the best & worst time to start a company. the opportunity surface is basically infinite cuz ai keeps collapsing the cost of building, experimenting, & entering new markets. but the durability of any individual advantage is collapsing faster than ever too. anything obviously valuable gets copied, bundled, or commoditized incredibly fast. before you can even blink. & worse now the big guys are shipping fast too so in many ways you’re kind of running downhill while meta, openai, anthropic, etc. are driving behind you even faster in a giant luxury bus with the high beams turned on to the max.
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Hoping someone can explain to me what's going on here. The report says they trained multiple mixRL teachers, then used MOPD to combine those teachers into a student model. But..the team literally live-streamed their RL run, and then released model + report just one day after it finished. How does this timeline work out? I would assume the streamed RL run is just a final climb after MOPD, but the paper doesn't mention anything about a final climb. Maybe the livestreamed run is only for one of their mixRL teachers, and they did MOPD quickly in the 24 hours before launch?
MiMo-V2.6: The Hard Road to Scaling Up RL MiMo-V2.6 is very likely one of the largest single RL runs, by compute, that any open-source model team has undertaken to date. In an era when compute is brutally scarce, we still chose to dedicate a team of several dozen people to one goal over an extended period: scaling up RL. That takes more than research conviction. It takes a vision for AGI, respect for the unknown, and the nerve to walk straight into the hardest problems. The result is a model whose potential was built through mid-training and unlocked through heavy RL. Today, it is the number one open-source model. I strongly recommend reading the technical report. I believe it will become one of those papers that Agent RL practitioners keep reopening and discovering something new in each time. In my view, the research innovations and engineering challenges behind it surpass those of DeepSeek R1, which I was partly involved in. Some will ask: why MixRL instead of MOPD? First, they are not competing choices. We ran MixRL on verifiable tasks of moderate difficulty, including code and related agentic tasks, and found that the resulting models generalize remarkably well. Second, tasks that are difficult to verify, extremely long-horizon, or simply too challenging to include in a joint RL run are trained separately. Including them would substantially reduce rollout efficiency or introduce significant rollout staleness. We then merge the resulting capabilities through MOPD. Games, 3D tasks, and tasks with subjective evaluation signals all fall into this category. There is also a third, slightly cheeky answer. Our team is flat enough and free enough of organizational silos that MixRL simply is not difficult for us. More importantly, everyone enjoys working this way. People from different domains come together every day, driven by the pursuit of AGI and intelligence that can continuously improve itself, to confront and resolve the RL bottlenecks in each field. I will always remember the RL daily update meetings from this period. They were intense and dense, with intelligence emerging in real time. To help the open-source community focus on solving real Agentic RL problems, we have released a Qwen model distilled from MiMo RL trajectories as a stronger starting point for RL, along with 7K diverse environments and a complete RL training framework. We hope these resources will help move Agentic RL research forward. MiMo-V2.6 is only the beginning. In an era when intelligence is easy to replicate, we still choose the hard road toward self-improvement and AGI. Much of what lies ahead remains unknown. But we are willing to keep investing the time, compute, and passion required to take on one hard problem after another and work each of them all the way through, until intelligence crosses into a new regime.
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What’s going on here lol what’s the point of these ai reply bots
Xiaomi is contributing a LOT to open research with this release. All of their training run details are basically out there in the open -- reward plots, hyperparameters, data mixtures, even costs. They also release a subset of their RL envs and a smaller model for people to play around with on more of a hobbyist budget.
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