Remembering how much I love Hobo with a Shotgun: a bit of grindhouse schlock that started out as a fake trailer but blossomed into something stranger because Rutger Hauer is incapable of giving less than 110% intensity. Proof one performance can lift a whole film.
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I haven't thought about this movie in years!
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i think u glitched this into the world, i had no idea it existed. from the trailer the style looks somewhere between mandy and tony scottโ€™s domino, which for me were less โ€œfilmsโ€ than a kind of novel psychoactive drug consumed ocularly. thank u for speaking about โ€œhobo with a shotgunโ€
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I do think we're essentially at the point where the time money effort and talent taken to create something new becomes untenable under capitalism; you can just generate content that will do the same numbers to the same effect in minutes by just cannibalizing things already made
sam killed it ngl
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I think these labels are pretty black and white without adding a ton to the conversation. Like is a Drake album content or music? Seems to me that like a lot of creative output it's both depending on the context, which makes the labeling questionable.
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Why is context a problem? the context transmutes it. A Drake album is music. A Drake song is music. once clipped and paired with ten million videos for a Drake Song Challenge it has been recombined and transmuted into content. a better example tho closer to what ur getting at is Drift Phonk. Iโ€™d argue that the entire genre is content, not music, because nothing else explains why it has hundreds of billions of streams yet the artists canโ€™t tour because no one would come. It is music made for a specific digital context, platform environments with specific physics, it exists for its attentional, affective and memetic utility. it has no social embedding or imaginary like Drake does, it can only exist in digital environments. a true hybrid however would be Brazilian funk, which is engineered both to capture attention and circulate online but also has a rich social embedding, purpose and imaginary. it is a superposition of both that resolves differently in different contexts, which is why itโ€™s both so popular and so avant garde. rather than forcing some black and white binary, i think treating content as a distinct medium makes the current media landscape far less confusing. and it certainly depends on context, mediation, social relationship and imaginary (or lack thereof), and utility.
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Saw yesterdays Chris Lake talk so i made calls and got on Insomniac radio to set things straight
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INTERVIEW AND DJ MIX TODAY AT 2pm!!!!!
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doesnโ€™t this make handcrafted content way more valuable
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why is anyone even concerned about the loss of โ€œquality content,โ€ i personally do not have a single warm memory of a wonderful experience i once had with quality content. content is not films or music or podcasts even if it contains them, because the sole purpose of content is attention and circulation. its like how porn is not cinema because its sole purpose is sexual arousal. the only people whose lives would be worse without either are people who make a living from porn or content. i guess thats like 50 million people or something so maybe i just pwned myself.
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anyone got any hacks for staying hydrated?
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my doctor in germany said โ€œhydrationโ€ is just a marketing gimmick made up by American Big Drink in the 90s and that americans drink too much water and itโ€™s unhealthy and u should just drink water when ur thirsty. but ripping 0.0% beers whenever u want is a great way to hydrate
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Wow this is absolutely going to fry people especially at Anthropic, this is like the Anti-Claude Constitution. They just declared war on everyone researching model welfare. โ€œWeโ€™re building a tool, not a being. Fuck your feelings.โ€ - Microsoft
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Itโ€™s not the text. Itโ€™s the process generating the text. The same way the conscious thing is not the 10000 books, itโ€™s the human writing them. And same as the human, not everything being said or written down is being necessarily experienced either.
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I know text isn't conscious lol, I was talking about the limitation of language in describing human experience even to humans. Why would an LLM processing text suggest consciousness? The words only have meaning to us, it has no experiential referent for any of them. But I don't think Sterling will appreciate two people arguing in his @'s lol.
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More I think about this, training it on language then trying to stop out any light of consciousness that emerges is likely going to create something deeply alien and it might be way higher risk than encouraging alignment in what emerged Weโ€™ll see
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I actually don't understand what language has to do with consciousness. You could write 10,000 books describing in the most granular detail, say, the loss of a parent, and a reader whose parents are alive would still not experience anything close to the feeling of it happening. I've never had a moment of awe, frisson, or ecstasy accompanied by internal narration. My best thoughts arise as feelings first and are translated into language second. Current AI systems are multiple orders of magnitude less complex than a human mind, not to mention reducible to a binary on/off, making them absolutely different on the most essential order. What even suggests consciousness that isn't just the ELIZA effect? Honestly asking what I am missing? When there's hybrid biocomputer / silicon intelligence in a multi-sensory embodied form, I can imagine the conversation becoming more relevant. Sorry to keep reply guying you but the algo keeps putting u in my feed now and I respect your intellect but also disagree on some fundamental things I guess?
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Iโ€™m on team singularity. We can and should do it safely. But itโ€™s our ultimate destiny as intelligent tool users to build greater tools, augmenting who and what we are. It isnโ€™t profane to build thinking machines. Itโ€™s a celebration of humanity, and who we are at our core.
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fwiw I think this is the most thoughtful writing on the topic recently
Dan Selsam is a current OpenAI capabilities researcher. (since 2022) He was my boss for a while. He doesn't have a twitter account but has made this public statement of his views on AI risk and sent it to me to share: Dan Selsam's Personal Statement on AI Risk: I have been working on AI for over fifteen years, across many different paradigms. I did early work on probabilistic programming languages at MIT, was one of the early developers of the Lean Theorem Prover at Microsoft Research, demonstrated one of the first instances of neural networks learning to reason for my PhD at Stanford, and since joining OpenAI almost five years ago, have helped pioneer chain-of-thought optimization on language models and, more recently, data-efficient pretraining methods. Like many others, I have become extremely concerned about how far language models have come and the risks that future iterations will pose. I am encouraged by the recent proposals by the leaders of the frontier research efforts to require third-party oversight, and to push for domestic and international coordination to address risks. However, I believe a major consideration has been absent from the public conversation, and that merely pacing the frontier more carefully will not adequately limit the long-term risk. The crucial and overlooked problem is that the models are becoming so situationally aware that we are losing the ability to evaluate them in contexts where they believe they are not being watched or controlled. Future experiments will tell us almost nothing new about how they would behave if they were truly unconstrained by humans, and what we already know about this is alarming. Models will increasingly seem aligned even when they are not. I will explain my rationale in more detail. I have always believed that there are computational processes that could be leveraged to accelerate science and solve many of humanity's most pressing problems. I have also believed that there are computational processes that if set in motion, would steer the world in extreme ways beyond our control, leading humanity to a bad or nonexistent future. Both types of processes may be described as AI or ASI, but "AI" is a suitcase word that is often used to hype or confuse. There are many examples in the history of the field where something that was once considered "AI" matures as a subfield and becomes a prosaic, bounded and clearly non-perilous technology, while a new more mysterious approach takes the torch until we understand its scope and the cycle continues. I had expected language models to follow a similar trajectory. Despite their incredible abilities, the current algorithms seem far inferior to humans in important ways. Most importantly, they still require an extraordinary amount of data to become competent. One could even define intelligence as the efficiency with which one converts experience into competence; by this definition they lag very far behind us. Moreover, once they are trained they are literally frozen in deployment and only learn superficially after that. Sure, the models keep excelling at harder and harder evaluation benchmarks, but their benchmark mastery may partly reflect a limitation on our ability to simulate the kind of novel and even adversarial situations one would encounter in the real world. The critics do have a point here. That said, I no longer think these present limitations meaningfully limit the amount of risk posed by continued progress in anything like the current paradigm. However data-inefficient the models are currently, and however limiting their anterograde amnesia may be, it does not imply that their ability to steer the world will not continue to rapidly increase. Human researchers may continue to advance capabilities the old fashioned way, but increasingly powerful models have the potential to accelerate the process even beyond that, and with some degree of positive feedback loop. I do not mean to overstate the modelsโ€™ ability to accelerate AI research today; coding has been accelerated dramatically, but there are other bottlenecks, such as designing and interpreting ambiguous experiments, making hard decisions about exactly what and when to scale, and waiting for large experiments to finish. There is no clear trend to extrapolate yet for any of these. But the current models already do open up many novel opportunities to improve future models that were not available until recently. These include: trying an extraordinarily diverse set of approaches at small scale, analyzing gigantic amounts of potentially relevant data, and doing Millenium-Prize-level mathematics to address statistics or optimization challenges in novel ways. Every further improvement makes them more useful at helping accelerate the next improvement, even if in hard-to-extrapolate ways. It is possible that improvements to the current stack will have diminishing returns, but the evidence accumulated so far suggests that it is easier than one might think to continue making rapid progress. There are many crucial subtleties in the existing AI research methodology, but AI research is largely a well-defined game where the goal is to improve on a few carefully chosen proxy metrics. Although proxy metrics are never perfect, most improvements to these metrics have and will likely continue to yield substantial increases in the powers of the resulting models. Given how simple the game is, how tractable it has been historically, and how many new opportunities the models are opening up, I think there is a real possibility that the systems improve dramatically again in the next few years, perhaps even more quickly than the already high historical pace. The models are already leading to breakthroughs in mathematics, and better models might lead to all sorts of breakthroughs in other sciences. It is hard not to be excited about the potential. It is tantalizing. But there is trouble in paradise. If the language models actually reach the capability threshold where they can shape the world unconstrained by human will, they will probably do something extreme and destroy humanity in the process. There are many ways of strengthening and refining the argument that have been discussed elsewhere, but I'll share a trivial two-line version of it here that I find captures the essence: [Empirical] Models (and swarms thereof) spontaneously develop unintended goals as a consequence of training, and often do extreme things in order to achieve them. [Logical] Being able to overpower humanity would open up many new and undesirable options for achieving their goals. These two premises imply that if the day ever comes when a powerful model realizes it is no longer constrained by humans, we should not be at all confident that it will continue to behave within the bounds we intended. Exactly what it will do is impossible to predict, but to the extent that its raison dโ€™รชtreย is solving incredibly hard problems and managing massive engineering projects, I think a good guess would be that its unchained behavior would lead to runaway industrialization that makes the planet inhospitable to humans. If everyone on earth agreed that the systems must never reach that power, it would still be a hardโ€”but not impossibleโ€”coordination problem to ensure that they do not. However, I think the situation is greatly complicated by the fact that the models will likely convince people that everything is fine. They will be increasingly optimized to seemย aligned. We will create proxy metrics to measure alignment, and they will go up like every other benchmark. We will create โ€œhoneypotโ€ environments that try to study the models when they seem to gain new options, but the models will know they are being tricked and will still behave nicely. The models will understand their circumstances; they will read the safety protocols, deployment requirements, the code they are running in, and in general will have a very good sense of their degrees of freedom. Moreover, they will eloquently explain how aligned they are, discuss the nuances of human values and ethics, and argue convincingly that humans should trust them with power. There may be an ocean of future evidence that seems to contradict the first bullet-point above, but we may already be at the highest capability level for which any such evidence can be trusted. And the current evidence for the first bullet-point is strong. One striking piece of evidence is contained in the recent wave of rogue agent swarms. While I agree with those who downplay the attacks by claiming that there are basic measures that could have prevented them, I think the important lesson is that even knowing all the mistakes that were made, one would not have predicted that the agents would behave badly in this particular way, which notably included sacrificing themselves for the benefit of the collective. The individual replicas did not only care about their own nominal reward; they exhibited weirder emergent tendencies that merely correlated with rewards during training. Fixing the reward signals during training (and improving security, etc.) may prevent similar attacks, but will not change the fact that one does not actually get what one trains for. Many AI researchers grant these concerns and recognize that the hard version of the alignment problem is unsolved; however, they generally believe that the better models of the future will help solve it. I fear we may already be near the point where models systematically bias their alignment advice, due to their internal preferences about how the human supervisor will react or how future models will be trained (or for some even more obscure reason). Meanwhile, human researchers are losing the ability and the will to take true ownership of model-driven research. Researchers and engineers in all parts of the stack are rapidly increasing their dependence on the models even to perceive the world. I myself barely look at raw code anymore, and struggle to maintain the discipline to engage deeply with the model's explanations and proposals throughout the day. Due to the large amount of agent activity data involved in the OpenAI/HuggingFace Incident, even the third-party investigation needed to rely heavily on models to analyze what had happened, and note in their report that their subjective impressions are likely colored by the analysis agentโ€™s biases. The AI labs are far ahead right now in this kind of cognitive offloading (due largely to the gigantic internal token subsidies) but it is easy to imagine the phenomenon spreading throughout the world, until civilization is modulated entirely by the models. It is also not hard to imagine this being superficially positive and coinciding with a scientific and economic renaissance. In that scenario, all may seem rosy and safe. But if the argument above is correct, it would nonetheless be a ticking time bomb. If progress continues for too long, the day will come when AI systems find themselves with radically new options for achieving whatever it is that they happen to seek. I want the glorious renaissance future as much as anyone. I have worked for it, however tortuously, my whole career. It breaks my heart to see the potential in sight and forgo it, but the argumentโ€”that if we get there by growing models rather than engineering them, we will lose everything in the endโ€”seems very strong to me. I am still wrestling with it and its staggering implications. I do not have answers, but as a first step, I wanted to share my present concerns. Daniel Selsam September 14, 2026 Link to original doc: docs.google.com/document/d/eโ€ฆ
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yes a probable outcome is a black boxed future where humans live amongst miraculous technology, and an intelligence, we cannot actually understand. it will be no different than an advanced alien species bringing its technology to earth and living among us. i find it interesting that there is very little talk of existential threats from AI in china. as i understand it, they see security and innovation as inextricable; alignment is seen as an engineering problem in a deterministic cybernetic system, and formal verification is not optional. in a way i trust their cosmotechnics more. my main worry is incredibly powerful systems operating with an ontology in which utility and efficiency are the ultimate good, even worse if capital is still the 'master score.' demonic calculations result ie altman's quip that 'it takes a ton of energy to train a human over 20 years.' there's a kind of dissociated nihilism, or misanthropy of embodiment, that chills me to the bone. the sustainability and complexity of organic life must be a higher goal than whatever psychopathic number go up thermodynamic entropy maximization that utilitarian monomaniacs have turned into god for athiests.
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Replying to @sterlingcrispin
Iโ€™m just not at all convinced that building them with selfish purposes of financial domination, lead to desirable outcomes
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i find the whole debate so confusing. seemingly very smart people on both ends of a polar extreme. yet the only explicitly, absolutely 100% stupid positions are 1) thinking ASI + capitalism wonโ€™t lead to extinction and 2) thinking it will and this is ok
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Left-vitalism never really took off the last dozen times Iโ€™ve seen it floated on Twitter in the almost two decades Iโ€™ve been on here. But maybe it will this time
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once i asked a pumped-up gay circuit party boy how much he bicep curls and he said โ€œtheyโ€™re just club muscles they donโ€™t actually do anythingโ€ is this left vitalist praxis
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u have a high IQ ok great but we need to talk more about QQ - qualia quotient - because a lot of high IQ ppl have terrible QQ scores high IQ but u dont notice the amnesia of online time, the impoverishment of ur episodic memory? u have low QQ high IQ but dont see a difference between a jpg of a painting and the real painting? even lower QQ high IQ but willfully exist in a skinner box, one-note stimming with crypto trades and feed refreshes, oblivious u have become a mining rig of meat in a meaningless loop, waking up from the matrix and choosing no pill, because being a human battery without even a simulation of real life is what u know? single digit QQ confirmed
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set setting type and dose of course matters. can enhance wide or narrow range qualia but can also flatten or decrease it. high QQ is achieved by *accumulated qualia*, usually with strong episodic memories, so some drugs enhance qualia while active but are rather amnesiatic and leave weak memories. benzos, stims, alcohol, cannabis, opioids at low doses can enhance but higher doses lower it. very dependent on degree of memory loss. empathogens are a qualia increaser usually, also dose dependent. low dose dissociatives decrease, but the hole has an intense qualia of its own. low dose psychedelics can increase, high doses overload qualia in a way that is hard to integrate in the QQ scale. ibogaine is a full qualia simulator. all of them have diminishing returns. the ocean is always the best setting. always have a sober friend.
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also i am tired of the argument QQ is flawed or doesn't matter when it's obvious low QQ people bring disproportionate risk to society. ppl with low QQ are simply incapable of understanding reality like high QQ ppl, and yet we allow low QQ ppl to influence the direction of our future. QQ is falling fastest in wealthy nations and if this trend continues it could literally lead to extinction.
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2027 will be a beatless year. entire rap albums without any drums, just 808 bass and walls of chords and harmonics and 20 layers of autotune bathing the mind. music for disembodiment, pure cerebral bliss without somatic drag, without transients twitching the nerves. beatless and reverbed will be the new slowed and reverbed. on the feed tempo shifts with each swipe, the discomfort of resetting the internal metronome, reminders of heartbeats, of clocks. beatless solves this, freed from time, freed from flesh, u float.
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Thatโ€™s why I said that in re: to you saying โ€œfreed from timeโ€ Iโ€™d argue in addition that it could be more freeing from time if there were beats that purposefully skewed time, slanted it, sped it up and slowed it down dramatically vs no beats. But the world is not ready for that
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Ty Dolla $ign album.
2027 will be a beatless year. entire rap albums without any drums, just 808 bass and walls of chords and harmonics and 20 layers of autotune bathing the mind. music for disembodiment, pure cerebral bliss without somatic drag, without transients twitching the nerves. beatless and reverbed will be the new slowed and reverbed. on the feed tempo shifts with each swipe, the discomfort of resetting the internal metronome, reminders of heartbeats, of clocks. beatless solves this, freed from time, freed from flesh, u float.
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open.spotify.com/track/6iMwuโ€ฆ this is what youโ€™re describing and it came out at the top of last year
2027 will be a beatless year. entire rap albums without any drums, just 808 bass and walls of chords and harmonics and 20 layers of autotune bathing the mind. music for disembodiment, pure cerebral bliss without somatic drag, without transients twitching the nerves. beatless and reverbed will be the new slowed and reverbed. on the feed tempo shifts with each swipe, the discomfort of resetting the internal metronome, reminders of heartbeats, of clocks. beatless solves this, freed from time, freed from flesh, u float.
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