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I am not anti-AI, but I absolutely have the same grievance. It's endlessly frustrating to talk to them. I've tried to explain countless times that you actually lose a level of the final product by removing too much of that process. That's why so many AI videos feel undercooked.

it's eye-opening to discover how so many people don't really consume art in any way that respects its value as art. unfortunately mainstream pop culture has been paving the way for this for decades

The more I sit and spend time learning how to draw so I can draw fast cars and hot women, the more I realize that everything I've read, watched and experienced comes through my admittedly rough work. The journey is as much a lesson as the final result.

Let's see if you are any different. This is a mechanical pencil drawing. Please appreciate it.

People don't care what you're feeling when you draw your comic.

The process is a private matter for the creator. The result is for everyone else and the tangible thing they will be seeing, interacting with and judging. The process is negligible in the grand scheme of things. If it's about the process then don't share your results keep it to yourself.

And what we hear, watch, and read are the process, too. It's how we plan our prompts, references and overall ideas. THEN we use AI to give it form Art is not decided by the tool, method or medium. Art is decided by the emotions behind the creators, his intent. Not a pencil or pen

Your attitude is the minority, actually. Most people only care about the final outcome.

Yes, I’ve come to this conclusion. The only people pushing it seem to come from a purely commercial and extremely shallow “understanding” of creativity and art. I personally can’t twist my brain enough to find a need or interest in it when it comes to the artistic process

They don’t actually interact with art in any meaningful way. They think a painting is just a pretty thing to look at. A book is a collection of information. Music is just sound you hear while typing out your next prompt. They’re soulless husks, not even human.

Its very simple: they hate art, artists and anything related to it deep down, in their eyes it has no real value and they see it as a waste of time. Of all the psychos making this world worse they choose to invest energy into hating artists all day, everyday. Let that sink in

You don’t understand art” is such a convenient way to avoid engaging with anyone who disagrees with you. I’ve spent most of my life making music and software. I care enormously about process. I just don’t believe every tool has to make the process harder for me.

You do understand that most consumers of "art" are not other artist right? The majority buys art because they like how it looks, not for the process that the artist had to go trough to make it.

Majority of media barely rises to the level of *art* though. Most songs on the top 100 are terrible. I think a lot of you are in denial about how much people LOVE slop.

Somerhing I have been coming to more and more is the sheer amount of disregard we have for the amount of process manufacturing and industry that makes the world around us. We take it for granted- kinda like seeing the chicken sandwhich while ignoring the literal life going into it

I feel like you are the one misunderstanding what AI is capable of, sure most AI art is slop, but if used with care and effort like any artist uses a tool, it can help make compelling art, but the human still needs to put in the long hours and effort into it for it to be quality

WRONG. It is completely fine to view art as an output. Some people enjoy bringing their visions to life, more than using a pencil to do it. That doesn't mean you are correct, it just means you appreciate the process. Not everyone does - it's still art.

Art is subjective though. Do you consider a banana taped to a wall to be “art?” I don’t. Yet it sold as modern art for 6.24 million

More like most Anti AI don't understand what AI is or how subjective it's use is like having an issue with how someone does something doesn't give you the right to judge them so long as it works and is good to whatever small niche they are appealing too.

アート以前に人に全く関心がない人達なのだと思います。だからこそ平気で人を冒涜できるのでしょう。

I think it’s the opposite. Those outside of the “art” community are your customers and the customers dont care about your process we just care about the final product.

I don't really care that much about the process. This is the process that my brain experiences whenever I look at art- Image looks pretty, stimulates dopamine receptors in brain, image dicarded.

Filed under "rehashed arguments used against cameras and digital art".

Commercial art and art are not exactly the same thing.

It's wild how much of the anti-genAI discourse comes from people who just fundamentally don't *get* art. They think it's impossible that AI artists can't possibly have a meaningful process they use to create the art. They assume that only their process passes whatever gatekeeping purity tests they put around a walled garden of "art"... exposing themselves as closed mind gatekeepers of "art"... the Sam's breed of folks who assert that video games can't be art.

Art is self expression. You do not get to police how people self express

It’s amazing how many “artists” think that the process of making the art is some kind of sacred fucking journey when the fact is most people make garbage. Art is in the eye of the beholder, not your fucking “process and journey” OR the money.

You, likewise, have to understand that what you do to consume art isn't what everyone else does. You might like the process, as an artist, but art is not only for artist consumption.

As Alva Noë elegantly put it, “The value of art is precisely that it gives us the opportunity to catch ourselves in the act.” Art is similar to sport in this context. There is no real world consequence of whether an athlete gets to their destination - winning is an "institutional fact", not a "brute fact". The entire point is to see how someone gets there within their own human limitations. It’s an exhibition of humanity. This is why many athletes refer to their sport as an art. It's also why we are not interested in watching computers play chess. Novak Djokovic is, by the numbers, the greatest tennis player of all time, but he has still never managed to be as beloved as Borg, Federer, or Nadal. The most beloved athletes of all time tend to not have just been those that achieved the most by the numbers, but those that displayed the greatest sportsmanship, elegance, and style in their process. We are, and always will be, enamoured with the bare human endeavour. If poetry was, for example, only about a destination - meant to simply execute an idea or deliver a piece of information, then it would no longer be poetry. One’s vocabulary is about more than information density; it’s about the qualitative “shape” of an idea. All art is like this. The very process is what makes it what it is.

As someone who went to art school, but moved into tech and is using AI, Midjourney, Claude, ChatGPT, you are correct. People that have never picked up a paintbrush, or a pencil, to create something cannot understand. Drawing is a learned skill, AI makes it a low barrier.

exactly when I'm really listening to a piece of music I am thinking of every little decision the artist(s) made while writing/recording/mixing the music. there's so much there to dive into. with AI auditory spam there's literally nothing there. there's no there there.

It’s even wilder how a bunch of kids drawing the same anime girl are suddenly deeply concerned about the artistic purity and integrity of a work-for-hire image of a cheesesteak on a one-week flyer.

Most people don't care about the process, just the final piece. You're talking about the generally niche community of admirers and investors. Yes, human-made can be better, however that doesn't often matter to the consumer. AI + Human = Faster to Product That's the challenge.

Not all artists think as you do. I have been creating art for 60 years, well over 10k individual non-AI works during that time. I got into computer art 37 years ago and AI art 5 years ago. The final product has always been of primary importance to me. Process is a barrier I have to get over to arrive at an interesting work. It still is with AI, which I use not to generate more of the stuff that I am capable of creating without AI, but to explore artistic territories that I can't explore without AI.